Ah, proofreading, proofreading...
In re-reading my post of yesterday just now, I realized that there's one "itn" that should have been written as "iTn". The paragraph that starts with the line "Note that Faulkner has not taken the leap of assuming..."
This full line should have read, "Note that Faulkner has not taken the leap of assuming that "iT
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L Cooper Wrote:
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> I do not have Leclant's 2001
> publication, nor do I find it on line, and so
> cannot help learn exactly what glyphs are involved
> - although from the translation Allen offers it
> would seem to indicate a usage of the word "itn".
I now have in front of me Leclant’s two volume publi
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Chris Tedder Wrote:
> "The sun's apparent path across the sky throughout
> the year follows a 12 deg. -wide arc from east to
> west, known as the ecliptic: the Egyptians saw
> this as a distinct feature of the sky, which they
> called the Winding Canal. The region of the sky to
> its south was known as the Marsh of Reeds and that
> to its north as the Mars
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M. Williams Wrote:
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> How do we know "imperishable stars" isn't a
> reference to stars in general, as in they go down
> at sunrise and come back every night ?
The "imperishable stars" hieroglyphs can be transliterated as “ikhmw-sk”, and this is usually translated as either ‘the undying stars’, ‘the imp
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Hi Chris - You did not state, nor did I realize, that by "P 356" you were referring to this number as used in the numbering system recently devised by J. P. Allen rather than the numbering system used by Maspero, Sethe, and many others for the past 100+ years. I do not have Leclant's 2001 publication, nor do I find it on line, and so cannot help learn exactly what glyphs are invo
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Hi Chris - Thanks for your interest.
P 356 does appear in both Faulkner and Sethe – see Utt. 511 §1155b. Faulkner (p. 187) translates this passage as “the Horizon dwellers will come to me…”. Allen, p. 154, translates it as “those of the Akhet shall come to him…”. You can see the actual glyphs in Sethe, V. II p. 145 at the beginning of line 1155b where the word is written “iwtn-f”. Note that
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But as I alluded to elsewhere on this thread, I believe that one needs to recognize that there is a duality in these texts in regard to exactly what the term "Re" is referring to - this depending on context. More often than not, or so it seems to me, the context is a circumpolar one - which would clearly seem to imply that "Re" is then not primarily referring to the sun, but t
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Mark Heaton wrote:
> > The irregular shaped ball of dung was
> regarded as
> > the sun.
Hans wrote:
> which they considered a disk unless you can show
> where the AE thought it was a sphere.
I think one can present a number of arguments to support the position that the AE conceived of Re as existing as a 3 dimensional being, making its sphericality implicit. Th
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I am not familiar with the other published works of Caroline Ransom Williams, but have often consulted her very important monograph on the AE color conventions as in evidence in the 5th Dynasty tomb of Per-Neb. See
There are all too few publications that go into much detail in this area, and her work gives insights that I have not found elsewhere. For this one work alone she is deserving o
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Pistol Wrote:
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> The only object suggested as a solar icon...
> ben-ben stone, described in PT's and marked in
> relation to Re. (Lehner 1999)
I believe this only begs the question of who or what Atum was conceived to be in the early days, which in turn then even begs the question of who or what "Re" was conceiv
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Two items of interest perhaps worth adding -
As posted on EEF, Griffin has a new book out of which he is one of the editors - "Thebes in the First Millennium B.C."
And also from the EEF list, a new article by a different author but germane to Griffin's topic, "The Main Sanctuary of Amun-Re in the Temple of Hatshepsut at Deir el-Bahari". This is available as a pdf.
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I have just discovered that this essential book is now freely available online via Heidelberg
I was long ago able to obtain a photocopy of this work, but having the pdf will now make it far easier for me to copy and paste from. Perhaps it has been available online for some time and I have simply been unaware, but in any event I pass this along to any who might find having a pdf version of J
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Mark Heaton Wrote:
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> 360 x 72 is 25,920 which is a number promoted by
> Jane Sellers with the cycle of precession equal to
> approximately 72 years per degree.
That they knew that the celestial north pole moved over time seems certain. That they knew it's movement described a (recurring) circular path is much less so, ne
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Dorner measured from his "Basisniveau", the level of his 362 cubit (189.43m) base length - as shown by his Figs 4 and 5.
I just went back and reread Petrie's account and now see why the confusion. He labels this as the pavement surface. I'm afraid that I misinterpreted Dorner's Fig 1 - his "Estrich" layer must be this pavement base layer, while the other mea
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robin cook Wrote:
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> So to summarise, Dorner establishes two base
> levels - one the base of some inner construction,
> and the one important here, the top of the
> pavement? For this latter Dorner gives a figure
> near to 362. But Petrie's arrangement also gives
> 362 for the base (if a cubit in the normal range
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I have always had difficulties with Dorner's presentations, both here and with his paper on the Red Pyramid. I take some responsibility for this, but not all. That said, my sense is that his 360 cubit measure is the base length at what you term the platform level, and the 362 cubit measure is at what you term the bottom of the casing. Although Dorner gives a sketch of the intracacies of the
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I was unaware that you made your own laser survey measurements at the Red Pyramid. I suppose it is too much to ask, but I wonder if by any chance you attempted to tie these interior findings to either a point at the opening of the entrance passage, or even as far as to a pyramid base edge?
Your overall theory is intriguing, although it is not clear to me how they would have been able to achiev
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In his analysis, Dorner agreed with the M&R appraisal that the Bent Pyramid has an earlier inner pyramid at its core (Form und Aussmasse der Knickpyramide). Based on his survey measurements, he then proposed that this inner structure had a slightly higher base level than that necessitated by the outer cladding that was placed over this core.
He shows these two base levels in his Figures 4
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Yes, the Two Enneads are mentioned throughout. I should think that they more or less refer to the Ursa Major and Minor asterisms, as Utt 219 may be suggesting.
I'd be interested to know whether you have formed an opinion as to what star groupings the Enneads represented.
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Thanks for this, Hermione. There was some earlier discussion of this find here -
Unfortunately, Wegner's paper appears to no longer be freely available at the Wiley web site.
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GChase Wrote:
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> The best candidate for the Lone Star is Thuban.
Yes, i think a strong case can be made for this being but one of the recognized metaphors used in these texts to refer to the pole star during this era.
One of the factors that makes these texts so frustrating to penetrate is this multiplicity of metaphors in use to
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cladking Wrote:
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> Do you find much validity in Susan Morrow's work?
> How about her translations themselves?
You make a very appropriate distinction here. I find the majority of her translations to be a bit over the top, and no where near well enough supported considering how far beyond the accepted norm she is taking t
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Thanks for posting this, Hermione. The author is certainly on the right track, and actually hits it spot on at one point (p. 161 -"..he is reaching the sky, literally..."), but then fails to follow through with this thread. This spell, as with so many others in the Pyramid Texts, is giving us a picture of a part of the night sky at a particular time of year and/or time of night. In the
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Perhaps some answer to these questions can be found here?
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More photos from the tomb are available here:
Note the depiction of the musicians, and their kit bag - 6th image down.
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Rick Baudé Wrote:
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> One of the many reasons I left Egyptology is
> because there's nothing BUT COFFEE TABLE BOOKS.
I take it that you are joking. In any event, there is an online bibliography that is published yearly if you ever do want to keep up with the more in depth stuff. They unfortunately now charge a subscription fee
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Jacob – I completely agree that modern theories regarding AE pyramid design need to have contextual consistency with AE modalities, approaches and known capabilities. That said, how one defines the concept of “simplicity” needs to be contextually consistent as well. The way in which the AE approached fractions in their mathematics, for instance, was hardly what we today would call “simple”, and y
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