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> One more time , briefly. The quetzal bird's
> habitat is in the highlands, not is the sea level
> Yucatan.
Maybe the birds don't travel but the design for the sound did.
The god Quetzalcoatl is an import from
> Central Mexico in the Post-Classic and the name
> "Kukulkan" is a
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bernard Wrote:
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> Others have dealt with the changed acoustics due
> to modern reconstructions and the lack of the
> original plaster coating on the buildings.
> Bernard
"The pyramid was once covered with smooth finish plaster. The plaster has been missing for many hundreds of years. You can see how irregular t
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Here is a couple of yours:
"As Bernard pointed out in previous posts in this thread,
) we're waiting for you to provide citations to confirm that quetzal was associated with rain,"
This was confusion, footsteps for upper stairs (Castillo) are perceived as raindrops in a bucket at the bottom. There is an image of Chacc, the rain god, on top of the pyramid. Nothing about quet
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My memory is good, but short so I don't recall the details but here is a summary of what I know.
At Chichen Itza there is a large pyramid that is known to have been dedicated to Kulkulcan because of the artifacts, stone artwork, and so forth at the structure.
(Mayan Kulkul = Quetzal, Can = Serpent, which the Aztecs called Quetzalcoatl, the feathered serpent). The return echo of a handcl
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"I don't doubt for a second that ancient civilizations were capable of this sort of engineering, I'm just not sure how we can ever jump the "possibly" part of this discussion at most of the sites where it's suggested."
Isn't the Maya quetzal chirp echo in cultural context?
I would argue that modern archaeology assumes a visual bias that was not neces
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A Lathe*, a stabilized** a tube drill rig and a windlass look like variations of the same machine:
In the case of the drill, replace the windlass's wood barrel with a core drill that extends beyond the frame, apply pressure and crank.
Since theres is evidence that the AEs had a lathe and stabilized drill rig, by default a windlass? A large windlass would be usefull to move heavy
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It seems to me that once the drill is stabilized by a secure fixture other variables can be explored to enhance drilling effectiveness such as weight applied to the drill and ways to turn the drill. How does increased/decreased downward pressure effect the rate of drilling?
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"Visitors to Stonehenge in Wiltshire rarely experience the historic site without the rumble of traffic noise from the nearby A303. But UK researchers have managed to recreate the sound of a ritual there, as heard by our ancestors 4,000 years ago."
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Isn't a lathe a Wheel?:
"a circular frame or disk arranged to revolve on an axis, as on or in vehicles or machinery"
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Finding a better way is what I initially suggested in regards to tube drilling. Is it plausible that the engineers who designed and figured out a method to build the GP might improve the design of the drilling rig?
An obvious improvement would be to built a frame to guide the tube to keep it going straight in at 90 degree angle. This would be important when drilling the perimeter holes. A fra
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Archae,
Regarding tools, did Petrie correctly identify the use of lathes in the 4th dynasty. If so
what kind of lathe?
"...the lathe appears to have been as familiar an instrument in the fourth dynasty, as it is in the modern workshops. The diorite bowls and vases of the Old Kingdom are frequently met with, and show great technical skill. One piece found at Gizeh, No 14, shows that th
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Then why bother to invent and use a lathe (according to Petrie) instead of hand work when labor and time is not an issue?
"...the lathe appears to have been as familiar an instrument in the fourth dynasty, as it is in the modern workshops. The diorite bowls and vases of the Old Kingdom are frequently met with, and show great technical skill. One piece found at Gizeh, No 14, shows that the
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"Please get your head around the idea that the AEs did NOT have our modern concern with efficiency"
Were they in a Union?
"The underground chambers first entered by Mariette consisted of a long gallery containing niches with votive stelae and large side-chambers containing 24 huge granite sarcophagi in the form of single blocks of stone, each weighing between 60 and 80 tone
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What troubles me is using the bowdrill rig shown in the video to hollow out a large granite coffer is like using a spoon to dig out the Panama canal. It could be done but it would take forever. Surely they built a frame to guide the tube drill to keep it going straight in at 90 degree angle. A frame would allow for a more weight (pressure) to be placed on top of the drill. This would speed up the
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The following video shows a huge hollowed out granite coffer and how they did it.
They appear to be drilling into limestone. Are we to believe that this is the type of rig they used to hollow out that coffer?
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"The ruins are a 'sensational discovery' with a structure to rival the Colosseum in Rome, archaeologists say"
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Rebby Wrote:
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> (c) I repeat, your hostility to professional
> scholarship borders on the pathological. It is
> also a powerful indicator of your ignorance of how
> the field works. Though I'm starting to suspect
> you're simply a troll, merrily derailing would-be
> sensible discussions with your "gat
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From 2006:
"In partially solving a mystery that has baffled archeologists for centuries, a Drexel University professor has determined that the Great Pyramids of Giza were constructed with a combination of not only carved stones but the first blocks of limestone-based concrete cast by any civilization."
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Cairo Teen Finds Looted Pharaoh Akhenaton Statue:
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There is a plan view drawing of the cave under Pyramid of the Sun (subject in video) in Peter Tompkin's book "Mysteries of the Mexican Pyramids". Long tube ending in a cloverleaf. It is remarkably similar to the layout at Newgrange:
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This is about archaeoacoustics not ancient astronauts despite the title:
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From the article:
"The "amplifiers" would have been the buildings themselves, and their acoustics may have even been purposely enhanced by the strategic application of stucco coatings, Zalaquett's findings suggest. Measurements at some of the buildings still bearing stucco suggest it may have changed the absorption and reflection of sounds."
Could the interior of the
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"Centuries before the first speakers and subwoofers, ancient Americans—intentionally or not—may have been turning buildings into giant sound amplifiers and distorters to enthrall or disorient audiences, archaeologists say."
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Partial Program of the 2nd Pan-American/Iberian Meeting on Acoustics
Cancun, Mexico, 15-19 November 2010
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cladking Wrote:
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> > Imagine a windlass in the shape of a
> dumbbell. The
> > rope attached to the load
> > could be wound several times around the shaft
> for
> > traction as the shaft turns.
> > The end n
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cladking Wrote:
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Imagine a windlass in the shape of a dumbbell. The rope attached to the load
could be wound several times around the shaft for traction as the shaft turns.
The end not attached to the
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"Once there, I found myself at the center of a frozen whirlpool of concentric rings. The sensation was disorienting and mildly hypnotic, and it was heightened by the strange acoustics. Bird calls echoed loudly, and I could hear the voices of people 50 feet away. These auditory effects have inspired theories that Moray could have been some kind of amphitheater."
"Another elemen
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