Hilarious! Thanks for brightening up an otherwise snow-ridden day.
ETA: addressing Alan here.
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Very interesting pattern. The Justinian plague hit Britain in about 545 and carried on in waves for thirty years or so; and there was another great dying in about 650. I wonder if these played a greater role than the article suggests. Anyway, cool article.
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>Charging racism. More like the gringos know better how to do it. We call it American exceptionalism now. Same result
How very parochial. It would surprise my German, French, Sudanese, Egyptian, British, Norwegian, Polish and Russian colleagues, not to mention the Americans and my fellow Canadians.
>I rather suspect I have been on more working sites and worked the sites myself, inc
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donald r raab Wrote:
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> 6. How in the world do you have trade without
> contact even if indirect.
Obviously, you have trade through intermediaries. The craftsman in Mesoamerica doesn't travel all the way to California to peddle his wares; the object passes from trader to trader. Thus, there is indirect contact between
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Those are all perfectly good and reasonable questions, of the sort that should be asked. Except #6 (a statement, not a question) should probably read "direct contact".
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> We know what happened when real
> contact took place. American food plants produced
> a population explosion all over the world-- corn
> in Europe (eventually potatoes in Ireland, Germany
> etc.), cassava in Africa, sweet potato in China.
> Europeans became millionaires importing sassafras
> and
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<Maybe widespread enough that China/Japan not only went from east to west but west to east.>
No need to go that far afield. The excavators' suggestion of links with Central or South America is much more likely. Do a quick image search on "Olmec figurines", for example. Some of them look pretty Sumo-esque superficially, but there's no doubt about their provenance. A
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In fact, the article doesn't suggest that Chinese ships were sailing into Venice. Just that there was a network of ports and entrepots with China at one end, and Europe at the other, with goods traded from merchant to merchant and transshipped a number of times en route. Which is, of course, exactly how the Silk Road also operated. So I think much of this discussion has been misplaced.
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Retainer sacrifice was not uncommon in complex chiefdoms and early states, for example, Kerma, Cahokia, Shang China,Ur. But not everybody is convinced about Egypt:
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So you are serious?! I honestly thought your Nippur Gambit was a parody.
ETA: I just reread the entire thread. It is a parody, isn't it.
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> If I'm right there has been more on the order of
> 10,000 years of near constant change and dramatic
> change in this place. This may be far and away
> the most heavily disturbed site on the face of the
> planet. The last 200 years may be nearly
> insignificat compared to the first
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You just don't get it.
Morten speaks wisdom. No more succumbing to temptation for me.
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>Let's be fair to the ubiquity of ignorance;
MOre verbiage?
>they actually told me there was no such thing as a cold water geyser.
Can you quote them more precisely? My memory is that your report of their words has changed significantly - from "they hadn't heard of them" to "they said there was no such thing". Those are very different meanings. And i
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> I meant that the entire Bible wasn't written to
> describe the building of anything.
How do you know? By your brand of logic, centuries of close-minded orthodox theologians may have been basing their interpretations on mistaken assumptions. Maybe the whole Bible, if correctly read, is
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And then there's Moses' Tabernacle in the wilderness...
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He said "antediluvian Indus" - so he could be referring to those ridiculous claims about great cities on the seabed of the Gulf of Cambay.
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> > And you really have to tell me what eactly is this
> so called "falsifying evidence".
Where would I start? The entire history of your interaction on this forum, and several others,has been a barrage of falsifications, which you've either ignored or denied. Why should I repeat it all here?
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> The difference is that I have actually come up
> with a literal meaning that fits the words of the
> builders.
>
> It just happens to fit the physical evidence as
> well.
And round and round we go. No it doesn't, except in the eyes of a true believer. A true believer, moreover, who
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>Just saying you can come up with
> something that fits means nothing and you can't.
> ...Or at the very least it is highly improbable.
This is what most of the people on this forum having been telling you for ages.
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cladking Wrote:
--> All I requested was for you to show there is a
> different literal understanding. There are
> several things which fit but none fit very well.
> One of the closest fits would be Seker being a
> little green man flying the []nw-boat. This is
> perhaps 5% consistent with the builders' words.
> It seems a somewhat remote possibility. There ar
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Cladking: Prove me wrong.
It is impossible to prove to you that you are wrong - though you have zero chance of being right. It is impossible because you have a track record of not accepting falsification.
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> All these
> referents are defined.
Defined by you,in the light of a self-proclaimed ignorance of the Egyptological literature and a stunning naivete about the anthropology of religion, to shore up a hypothesis with no geological or archaeological evidence behind it, and according to flexible rules again def
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That is gobbledygook. Also, it is clear you're setting the rules based on your "literal interpretation", which you then use to justify your "literal interpretation". Circular reasoning. Have you read anything substantive about the Egyptian religions?
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"There are numerous reasons they weren't so explicit but the primary one is that it was against their religion to ascribe attributes to their Gods."
Where did that come from? Is it another of your "interpretations"?
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For it to be "literal", the reference in the PT would be to a hole in the ground, not to an "Eye of Horus". CK is not being literal at all; he is simply assigning physical referents to terms which the scholars maintain have mystical referents. So his "jigsaw puzzle" is very much a metaphorical interpretation, however much he wants to call it "literal".
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How about a digital laser measuring device - I used one in Sudan, and it saved a lot of trouble. Would it be permitted, do you think?
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