Ahatmose Wrote:
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> Well I can't believe this argument is still
> raging. We should simply put Creighton and Stower
> in a UFC ring and let them settle it there.

Well: I think we have to hope that reason will eventually prevail over fisticuffs!

> But first this quote has me puzzled:
>
>

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To convincingly make his case Creighton
>
> must show how Vyse knew more than ALL THE LIVING
> EGYPTOLOGISTS OF HIS TIME. Egyptology was a young
> science, just emerging in the early 19th Century
> when Vyse was working in Egypt. It was not known
> by any Egyptologist at that time that Egyptian
> pharaohs had 5 names, two of which would be
> circled with a cartouche. No Egyptologist at that
> time knew that the Horus name of Khufu was Hor
> Medjedu. Yet "Hor Medjedu" was one of the hieratic
> hieroglyphs scrawled on those relieving chamber
> walls. Somehow the immoral hoaxer Vyse, in his
> scheme to forge evidence that Khufu built the
> Great Pyramid, had his agents and assistants Hill
> and Raven write the name Hor Medjedu in the red
> ochre paint used by ancient masons. How did Vyse
> have greater knowledge than all existing living
> Egyptologists?

>
> I am puzzled because this is the first time I have
> ever heard of this argument that the cartouche was
> unknown by Egyptologists.

> > could somebody explain this to me and why it has
> never been mentioned before.

I think you've slightly misunderstood what was being said here about the difficulties experienced by early 19th century scholars as they struggled to recognise royal names and hieroglyphs in general.

The probable function of the cartouche, however, was first recognised in the late 18th century, as explained here:

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Hieroglyphic writing was in use for nearly 3,000 years, the last texts being inscribed in the 4th century AD.   After this time, what the signs represented, and the ability to read them, were lost. Centuries passed without anyone being able to understand what hieroglyphic characters meant, although, in the modern era, the Roman sculptor, Pietro Bracci (1700-1773), made some early attempts.  In 1762, Jean-Jacques Barthélemy (1716-1795) made one very important suggestion: that the hieroglyphic characters enclosed in the oval rings, known as cartouches, might be the names of kings.

(The Strange Journey of Humphries Brewer Part 2: Uncovering the Truth (pp. 216-217)

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