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September 15, 2012 11:22PM
MKGlouisville scatterblasted Hall of Maat with “evidence” from genetics, linguistics, art history and archaeology, all supposedly supporting his view that the Ancient Egyptians were rooted in subSaharan “black” Africa. In this thread, I’d like to continue looking critically at the non-genetic evidence he presented.
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Ingoring your irrelevant analysis of the pyramids in Nigeria, I'll point to another major connection between West Africa and ancient Egypt:
The “pyramids” in Nigeria are, I’ll agree, totally irrelevant to Ancient Egypt. It was you, however, who brought them up. The only resemblance of those to the Step Pyramid at Saqqara is that both were made in layers. By that logic, wedding cakes should have some kind of deep Afrocentric significance.

On to the wordlists. I hardly know where to start. There are wordlists that have legitimately been used to establish degrees of relatedness between languages (google Swadesh’s lists, for example), but cherry-picking a bunch of words and names with tenuous similarities in meaning and transliteration is not the same thing. It is, however, a common tactic in pseudohistory and pseudolinguistics. See [www.zompist.com] for a fairly thorough demolition of this kind of nonsense research. Furthermore, many of the so-called Ancient Egyptian vocabulary items look totally dicey to me. Thank you for posting both lists in their entirety, so we can all see how vacuous the claim is.

Moving on to your next “evidence”, we have: [www.hallofmaat.com]
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hum.lss.wisc.edu]
Yoruba God

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Egyptian God Bes

Note the skull necklaces and gasping mouth on both.

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Kemet and Yoruba ram sculptures

You really should check on some of these before you put them forward. The “Yoruba God” is an Ife terracotta identified as “Child of Obatala (creation divinity). The sculpture probably depicts a ritual specialist indicated by the bead on his forehead and the skull pendant.” See: [hum.lss.wisc.edu]

The Bes figure is in the Louvre: [www.louvre.fr] It is not a skull on his chest, but a feline head, part of the catskin he is wearing. His mouth is not gaping - rather, the inlaid tongue that originally filled the gap is missing.

What you have here is a superficial similarity between unrelated objects. Which is pretty much what could be said of the so-called pyramids and the wordlists.
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Egypt and West Africa

Rebby September 15, 2012 11:22PM

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MKGlouisville September 16, 2012 02:14AM

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Hermione September 16, 2012 03:54AM

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Rebby September 16, 2012 10:56AM

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Khazar-khum September 18, 2012 02:45AM

The Dogon of Mali

MKGlouisville September 16, 2012 02:15AM

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Roxana Cooper September 16, 2012 09:14AM

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MKGlouisville September 16, 2012 10:53AM

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bernard September 16, 2012 10:41AM

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Katherine Griffis-Greenberg September 16, 2012 10:16PM

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Byrd September 16, 2012 10:44PM

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bernard September 17, 2012 12:36AM

More scholars validate Yoruba and Egyptian link

MKGlouisville September 21, 2012 02:09AM

Re: More scholars validate Yoruba and Egyptian link

Hermione September 21, 2012 02:43AM

Re: More scholars validate Yoruba and Egyptian link

Roxana Cooper September 21, 2012 08:50AM

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Rick Baudé September 21, 2012 12:22PM

Re: More scholars validate Yoruba and Egyptian link

bernard September 21, 2012 04:23PM

Re: More scholars validate Yoruba and Egyptian link

Warwick L Nixon October 10, 2012 05:33PM

Re: More scholars validate Yoruba and Egyptian link

Roxana Cooper October 11, 2012 08:12AM

Re: More scholars validate Yoruba and Egyptian link

Warwick L Nixon October 11, 2012 11:26AM

Re: More scholars validate Yoruba and Egyptian link

Jammer October 11, 2012 12:05PM

Re: More scholars validate Yoruba and Egyptian link

Roxana Cooper October 12, 2012 09:42AM

Re: More scholars validate Yoruba and Egyptian link

Rick Baudé October 12, 2012 11:41AM

Re: Egypt and West Africa

Roxana Cooper September 16, 2012 09:12AM

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bernard September 16, 2012 10:25AM

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Khazar-khum September 18, 2012 02:51AM

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bernard September 18, 2012 11:32AM

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Warwick L Nixon September 18, 2012 12:55PM

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Sam September 19, 2012 03:43AM

**Moderation note**

Hermione September 19, 2012 04:14AM

Re: Egypt and West Africa

Hermione September 19, 2012 04:16AM

More evidence

MKGlouisville September 19, 2012 01:39PM

Re: More evidence

Rick Baudé September 19, 2012 02:15PM

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Khazar-khum September 19, 2012 02:27PM

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MKGlouisville September 19, 2012 09:08PM

Re: More evidence

Rick Baudé September 19, 2012 11:55PM

Straw man

MKGlouisville September 20, 2012 12:39AM

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Rick Baudé September 20, 2012 12:59AM

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Rebby September 20, 2012 04:42AM

2012 study and others validates Yoruba and Egyptian connection

MKGlouisville September 20, 2012 01:26PM

Re: 2012 study and others validates Yoruba and Egyptian connection

Khazar-khum September 20, 2012 03:14PM

Re: 2012 study and others validates Yoruba and Egyptian connection

MKGlouisville September 21, 2012 12:27PM

**Moderation note**

Hermione September 21, 2012 12:31PM

Re: Straw man

Rick Baudé September 20, 2012 12:17PM

Let's examine more evidence and validation of linguistic connection

MKGlouisville September 20, 2012 01:21PM

Let's examine more evidence and validation of linguistic connection

Jammer September 20, 2012 02:39PM

Re: Let's examine more evidence and validation of linguistic connection

bernard September 20, 2012 04:01PM

Re: Let's examine more evidence and validation of linguistic connection

Rebby September 20, 2012 10:55PM

Re: More evidence

Hermione September 20, 2012 04:09AM

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MKGlouisville September 20, 2012 12:08PM

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Warwick L Nixon October 10, 2012 05:18PM

Re: Egypt and West Africa

Warwick L Nixon October 10, 2012 04:52PM

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Sam October 10, 2012 06:58PM

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Warwick L Nixon October 10, 2012 07:25PM

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Sam October 11, 2012 11:21AM

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Warwick L Nixon October 11, 2012 11:48AM

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Sam October 11, 2012 01:51PM

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Rick Baudé October 11, 2012 04:12PM

yep

Warwick L Nixon October 11, 2012 10:10PM

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Warwick L Nixon October 11, 2012 09:48PM

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Sam October 12, 2012 05:41AM

Another word commonality list

MKGlouisville September 21, 2012 02:10AM

Yoruban knowledge of Medicine said to come from Egypt

MKGlouisville September 21, 2012 02:12AM

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Roxana Cooper September 21, 2012 08:53AM

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bernard September 21, 2012 04:50PM

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Khazar-khum September 21, 2012 04:59PM



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