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May 8, 2024, 7:34 pm UTC    
August 10, 2007 05:08AM
Anthony Wrote:
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> MJ Thomas Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
>
> > Sorry to be a nuisance, Anthony, but you
> haven’t
> > said what in your opinion the primary purpose
> of
> > the Queen’s Chamber was.
>
>
> You're right.
>
>
>
> > Any chance of you coming back with an answer?
> It
> > would be appreciated – and not only by me, I
> am
> > sure.
>
>
> Snowball. Hell. You get the picture....lol.

The only picture I am receiving at the moment is one of you prevaricating like fury.
Now, I can understand (just about) your doing this if it is a case of your having a GP theory awaiting publication in some learned journal, or whatever, and don’t wish for its details to be made known prior.
What I fail to understand is your seeming reluctance to actually clearly state on this Forum why you are ‘unable’ to as yet provide any details of your theory.
You are arguably under no obligation to reveal anything at all about your theory.
However, I do feel that this issue has reached the stage at which you either put up or shut up.
I, for one, grow tired of your answering questions with meaningless answers.
For example, I wrote:

> > I’m not at all sure what you have in mind
> when you
> > say “the landing area for the Grand Gallery.
> > Are you referring to the north (lowermost)
> end of
> > the Gallery, the south (uppermost) end of
> the
> > Gallery, or some point between the two?

To which you respond with:
> You may not be sure, but you guess well!

But I don’t want to guess what you mean by “the landing area for the Grand Gallery”.
I want to know precisely what you mean.
I see no reason for you to not answer my simple, straight forward question.

Then we have my:
> > Then what is it about the design of the
> interior
> > of Khufu’s pyramid that makes these ‘shafts’
> > necessary?

To which you reply:
> Study a hundred pyramids and you'll figure that
> out. Seriously, it becomes quite obvious when you
> do.

Why should I ‘figure it out’ if, as you imply, you already know the answer?
Is this “find out for yourself” attitude of yours really suited to the purpose and spirit of this Forum, I ask myself…

Moving on.
Regarding your suggestion that the Grand Gallery “would have been modified into a 2nd chamber”, and your then proposing 4 royal cubits as the maximum width.
Why only 4rcs?
The widths of the three chambers run North-South, and their lengths run East-West.
I would have thought it reasonable that a chamber ‘incorporated’ into the Grand Gallery would follow the same pattern – in which case we end up with a chamber with your maximum width of 4rcs and a length of not more than 4rcs.
Hmmm. Doesn’t work does it…
If a chamber had been built in/into the Grand Gallery, then everything points to it being at least as large (in floor plan) as the Queen’s Chamber, and its east wall would have coincided with or been within 1 royal cubit west of the east lowermost wall of the Grand Gallery.

On the Subterranean Chamber (SC) I wrote:
> > Are we really expected to believe that Khufu
> > needed such a vast burial chamber (especially
> as
> > you appear to me to think that the
> appreciably
> > smaller Queen’s Chamber and King’s Chamber
> were
> > each deemed adequate)?

You reply,
> If it was going to be below ground, then
> apparently the answer is "yes".

But has it not occurred to you that the SC might not have been intended to be or act as a burial chamber?
Not knowing what – other than a burial chamber - this Chamber might have been for does not add anything to your ‘contingency’ theory.
Arguing that the SC was intended as a burial chamber because we cannot think of anything else it could have been gets us nowhere.



I wrote,
> > It makes no sense to argue that the SC was
> > unfinished because it wasn’t needed as a
> burial
> > chamber.

You respond:
> It makes sense from an Egyptian mortuary
> perspective. No other sense is needed.

Could you elaborate on this?
As it stands it’s very much a “Because the Bible says so” kind of statement.


I wrote,
> > I seriously doubt that the seeming
> abandonment of
> > the SC has anything to do with your proposed
> > contingency plans for the king dying before
> his
> > burial chamber proper (the King’s Chamber?)
> was
> > ready.

You reply,
> You are welcome to provide an alternate idea, but
> as an abandoned contingency burial chamber in case
> of the king's early demise I can assure you it
> fits both logical and culturally into the Fourth
> Dynasty.

That’s very nice of you.
Sorry to disappoint everybody but beyond: it was never intended to act as a ‘contingency’ burial chamber, I haven’t the faintest idea what the SC was intended for.


You write,
> You have demonstrated quite a bit of ingenuity
> with your research, MJT. You're up to this little
> puzzle... especially now that you have a much
> bigger clue than I did when I started. I didn't
> know the shafts were canals. You do.

I have enough puzzles stemming from my own GP theory; I don’t really want any more, thank you very much…
Straight answers to straight questions is what I would like from you, Anthony.

I do not know that the shafts “were canals”, anymore than you do.
You hypothesise that these shafts were ‘canals’.
Others here (and elsewhere?) disagree with your hypothesis.
Me?
I haven’t the foggiest idea what the shafts are.

MJ



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/10/2007 05:09AM by MJ Thomas.
Subject Author Posted

The Khufu 'Queens's Chamber'-shafts ; a question.

Ronald August 08, 2007 01:09AM

Re: The Khufu 'Queens's Chamber'-shafts ; a question.

fmetrol August 08, 2007 06:40AM

Re: The Khufu 'Queens's Chamber'-shafts ; a question.

Dave L August 08, 2007 07:15AM

Re: The Khufu 'Queens's Chamber'-shafts ; a question.

Ken B August 08, 2007 08:46AM

Re: The Khufu 'Queens's Chamber'-shafts ; a question.

Dave L August 08, 2007 08:59AM

Re: The Khufu 'Queens's Chamber'-shafts ; a question.

Ritva Kurittu August 08, 2007 09:04AM

Re: The Khufu 'Queens's Chamber'-shafts ; a question.

Ken B August 08, 2007 09:06AM

Ritual passage.

Dave L August 08, 2007 10:34AM

Re: Ritual passage.

fmetrol August 08, 2007 11:17AM

Re: Ritual passage.

Anthony August 08, 2007 02:35PM

Re: The Khufu 'Queens's Chamber'-shafts ; a question.

Anthony August 08, 2007 09:34AM

Sealed Shafts

Anthony August 08, 2007 08:40AM

Re: Sealed Shafts

Ritva Kurittu August 08, 2007 09:01AM

Re: Sealed Shafts

Anthony August 08, 2007 09:29AM

Re: Sealed Shafts

Ritva Kurittu August 08, 2007 09:31AM

Strawman argument

Anthony August 08, 2007 09:36AM

Re: Strawman argument

fmetrol August 08, 2007 09:43AM

Re: Strawman argument

Ritva Kurittu August 08, 2007 09:54AM

Re: Strawman argument

Anthony August 08, 2007 09:58AM

Re: Strawman argument

Ritva Kurittu August 08, 2007 10:04AM

Re: Strawman argument

fmetrol August 08, 2007 10:29AM

Re: Strawman argument

Ronald August 08, 2007 04:23PM

Re: Strawman argument

Anthony August 08, 2007 06:02PM

Re: Strawman argument

fmetrol August 08, 2007 10:05AM

Re: Strawman argument

Ritva Kurittu August 08, 2007 10:06AM

Re: Strawman argument

Anthony August 08, 2007 09:56AM

Re: Strawman argument

fmetrol August 08, 2007 10:07AM

Re: Sealed Shafts

Chris Tedder August 08, 2007 09:43AM

Re: Sealed Shafts

Anthony August 08, 2007 09:50AM

Re: Sealed Shafts

Chris Tedder August 08, 2007 10:59AM

Re: Sealed Shafts

Ritva Kurittu August 08, 2007 11:05AM

Re: Sealed Shafts

Anthony August 08, 2007 01:02PM

Re: Sealed Shafts

MJ Thomas August 08, 2007 01:42PM

Re: Sealed Shafts

Anthony August 08, 2007 12:44PM

Re: Sealed Shafts

Ritva Kurittu August 08, 2007 12:48PM

Re: Sealed Shafts

Anthony August 08, 2007 01:09PM

Re: Sealed Shafts

cladking August 08, 2007 11:07AM

Re: Sealed Shafts

Anthony August 08, 2007 01:15PM

Re: Sealed Shafts

Greg Reeder August 08, 2007 01:44PM

Let it rain

Anthony August 08, 2007 02:23PM

Re: Let it rain

Greg Reeder August 08, 2007 02:48PM

Re: Let it rain

Anthony August 08, 2007 02:55PM

Re: Let it rain

Greg Reeder August 08, 2007 03:03PM

Re: Let it rain

Anthony August 08, 2007 03:19PM

"Anthony's Drain Pipes"

Chris Tedder August 08, 2007 03:55PM

Re: "Anthony's Drain Pipes"

Ritva Kurittu August 08, 2007 03:58PM

Re: "Anthony's Drain Pipes"

Greg Reeder August 08, 2007 04:11PM

Re: "Anthony's Drain Pipes"

Ritva Kurittu August 08, 2007 04:17PM

Re: "Anthony's Drain Pipes"

Greg Reeder August 08, 2007 04:08PM

Re: "Anthony's Drain Pipes"

fmetrol August 08, 2007 04:11PM

Re: "Anthony's Drain Pipes"

Greg Reeder August 08, 2007 04:15PM

Re: "Anthony's Drain Pipes"

fmetrol August 08, 2007 05:56PM

Re: "Anthony's Drain Pipes"

Greg Reeder August 08, 2007 07:18PM

Re: "Anthony's Drain Pipes"

fmetrol August 08, 2007 11:33PM

Re: "Anthony's Drain Pipes"

Greg Reeder August 09, 2007 12:13AM

Re: "Anthony's Drain Pipes"

Ronald August 08, 2007 04:43PM

Re: "Anthony's Drain Pipes"

Ritva Kurittu August 08, 2007 05:03PM

Re: "Anthony's Drain Pipes"

Anthony August 08, 2007 06:01PM

Re: "Anthony's Drain Pipes"

Ritva Kurittu August 08, 2007 11:54PM

Re: "Anthony's Drain Pipes"

Anthony August 09, 2007 06:01AM

Re: "Anthony's Drain Pipes"

Ritva Kurittu August 09, 2007 06:09AM

Re: "Anthony's Drain Pipes"

Anthony August 09, 2007 06:42AM

Re: "Anthony's Drain Pipes"

Ritva Kurittu August 09, 2007 11:20AM

Re: "Anthony's Drain Pipes"

Anthony August 09, 2007 11:56AM

Re: "Anthony's Drain Pipes"

Ritva Kurittu August 09, 2007 01:18PM

Re: "Anthony's Canals"

Anthony August 09, 2007 04:24PM

Re: "Anthony's Drain Pipes"

Anthony August 08, 2007 08:17PM

Re: "Anthony's Drain Pipes"

Ritva Kurittu August 08, 2007 11:58PM

Re: "Anthony's Drain Pipes"

Anthony August 09, 2007 06:45AM

Re: "Anthony's Drain Pipes"

Chris Tedder August 09, 2007 07:29AM

Re: "Anthony's Canals"

Anthony August 09, 2007 08:56AM

Re: "Anthony's Canals"

Ritva Kurittu August 09, 2007 11:30AM

Re: "Anthony's Canals"

Anthony August 09, 2007 11:57AM

Re: "Anthony's Canals"

Ritva Kurittu August 09, 2007 01:21PM

the cool waters of the stars

Chris Tedder August 09, 2007 02:24AM

Re: the cool waters of the stars

Dave L August 09, 2007 07:15AM

Individual choices in ancient Kemet

Anthony August 09, 2007 08:53AM

Re: Individual choices in ancient Kemet

Dave L August 09, 2007 09:09AM

Re: Individual choices in ancient Kemet

Anthony August 09, 2007 09:18AM

Re: Individual choices in ancient Kemet

Dave L August 09, 2007 09:25AM

Re: Individual choices in ancient Kemet

Chris Tedder August 09, 2007 09:54AM

Re: Individual choices in ancient Kemet

Ritva Kurittu August 09, 2007 11:34AM

Re: the cool waters of the stars

Anthony August 09, 2007 08:59AM

The Watery Nature of the Egyptian Sky

Anthony August 09, 2007 10:13AM

Further notes on the elemental nature of Egyptian cosmology

Anthony August 09, 2007 10:52AM

Re: The Watery Nature of the Egyptian Sky

Ritva Kurittu August 09, 2007 11:43AM

Re: The Watery Nature of the Egyptian Sky

Anthony August 09, 2007 12:00PM

Re: The Watery Nature of the Egyptian Sky

Ritva Kurittu August 09, 2007 01:16PM

Re: The Watery Nature of the Egyptian Sky

Anthony August 09, 2007 04:26PM

Re: The Watery Nature of the Egyptian Sky

cladking August 09, 2007 04:40PM

Re: The Watery Nature of the Egyptian Sky

Anthony August 09, 2007 04:44PM

Re: The Watery Nature of the Egyptian Sky

Hermione August 10, 2007 02:59AM

Re: The Watery Nature of the Egyptian Sky

cladking August 10, 2007 05:20PM

Re: the cool waters of the stars

Ritva Kurittu August 09, 2007 11:40AM

Re: the cool waters of the stars

Anthony August 09, 2007 11:59AM

Re: the cool waters of the stars

Ritva Kurittu August 09, 2007 01:44PM

Re: the cool waters of the stars

Anthony August 09, 2007 04:39PM

Re: the cool waters of the stars

Chris Tedder August 09, 2007 05:51PM

Re: the cool waters of the stars

Anthony August 09, 2007 06:06PM

Re: Sealed Shafts

Ronald August 08, 2007 04:40PM

Re: Sealed Shafts

Greg Reeder August 08, 2007 05:15PM

Sorry, posting on a wrong place

Ritva Kurittu August 08, 2007 05:16PM

Re: Sealed Shafts

Ritva Kurittu August 08, 2007 02:12PM

Re: Sealed Shafts

Anthony August 08, 2007 02:27PM

Re: Sealed Shafts

Ritva Kurittu August 08, 2007 02:31PM

Re: Sealed Shafts

Anthony August 08, 2007 02:33PM

Re: Sealed Shafts

Ritva Kurittu August 08, 2007 02:39PM

Re: Sealed Shafts

Anthony August 08, 2007 02:56PM

Re: Sealed Shafts

Greg Reeder August 08, 2007 02:53PM

Re: Sealed Shafts

Anthony August 08, 2007 02:57PM

Re: Sealed Shafts

Chris Tedder August 08, 2007 04:48PM

Re: Sealed Shafts

cladking August 08, 2007 07:22PM

Re: Sealed Shafts

Chris Tedder August 09, 2007 06:38AM

Re: Sealed Shafts

Jeff van Hout August 08, 2007 04:54PM

Evidence for deflectors

Anthony August 08, 2007 06:05PM

Re: Sealed Shafts

Ronald August 08, 2007 04:35PM

Re: Sealed Shafts

Ritva Kurittu August 08, 2007 04:38PM

Re: Sealed Shafts

Ronald August 08, 2007 04:53PM

Re: Sealed Shafts ; Traces of 'water-erosion'/water-presence in the KC ?

Ronald August 08, 2007 05:00PM

Re: Sealed Shafts ; Traces of 'water-erosion'/water-presence in the KC ?

cladking August 08, 2007 08:02PM

Percolation??

Warwick L Nixon August 11, 2007 11:46AM

Re: Percolation??

cladking August 11, 2007 04:58PM

Re: Percolation??

Warwick L Nixon August 11, 2007 06:51PM

Re: Sealed Shafts ; Traces of 'water-erosion'/water-presence in the KC ?

Anthony August 08, 2007 08:04PM

Re: Sealed Shafts ; Traces of 'water-erosion'/water-presence in the KC ?

fmetrol August 08, 2007 11:43PM

Re: Sealed Shafts ; Traces of 'water-erosion'/water-presence in the KC ?

Anthony August 09, 2007 06:47AM

Re: Sealed Shafts ; it's very amusing .....

Ronald August 09, 2007 12:34PM

Re: Sealed Shafts ; it's very amusing .....

Ritva Kurittu August 09, 2007 01:45PM

Re: Sealed Shafts ; it's very amusing .....

Anthony August 09, 2007 02:09PM

Re: Sealed Shafts ; it's very amusing .....

Ritva Kurittu August 09, 2007 02:23PM

Re: Sealed Shafts ; it's very amusing .....

Anthony August 09, 2007 04:00PM

Re: Sealed Shafts ; it's very amusing .....

Chris Tedder August 09, 2007 02:20PM

Re: Sealed Shafts ; it's very amusing .....

Ritva Kurittu August 09, 2007 02:25PM

Re: Sealed Shafts ; it's very amusing .....

Anthony August 09, 2007 04:00PM

Re: Sealed Shafts ; it's very amusing .....

Chris Tedder August 09, 2007 05:28PM

Re: Sealed Shafts ; it's very amusing .....

Anthony August 09, 2007 06:05PM

Re: Sealed Shafts ; it's very amusing .....

Jeff van Hout August 10, 2007 10:23AM

Re: Sealed Shafts ; it's very amusing .....

Ritva Kurittu August 10, 2007 01:52PM

Re: Sealed Shafts ; it's very amusing .....

Ken B August 10, 2007 06:17PM

Re: Sealed Shafts ; it's very amusing .....

Ritva Kurittu August 10, 2007 08:22PM

Re: Sealed Shafts ; it's very amusing .....

Anthony August 11, 2007 06:15AM

Re: Sealed Shafts ; it's very amusing .....

Jeff van Hout August 11, 2007 06:55AM

Netjerykhet, Heliopolis reliefs

Jeff van Hout August 11, 2007 09:47AM

Re: Netjerykhet, Heliopolis reliefs

Chris Tedder August 11, 2007 10:26AM

Re: Netjerykhet, Heliopolis reliefs

Jeff van Hout August 11, 2007 11:17AM

Re: Netjerykhet, Heliopolis reliefs

Ritva Kurittu August 11, 2007 12:20PM

Re: Netjerykhet, Heliopolis reliefs

Chris Tedder August 11, 2007 03:09PM

Re: Netjerykhet, Heliopolis reliefs

Ritva Kurittu August 11, 2007 03:54PM

Re: Netjerykhet, Heliopolis reliefs

Hermione August 12, 2007 03:22AM

Re: Netjerykhet, Heliopolis reliefs

Ritva Kurittu August 12, 2007 03:43AM

Re: Netjerykhet, Heliopolis reliefs

Hermione August 12, 2007 04:05AM

Re: Netjerykhet, Heliopolis reliefs

Jeff van Hout August 12, 2007 04:10AM

Re: Netjerykhet, Heliopolis reliefs

Ritva Kurittu August 12, 2007 04:27AM

Re: Netjerykhet, Heliopolis reliefs

Chris Tedder August 12, 2007 03:44PM

Re: Netjerykhet, Heliopolis reliefs

Hermione August 13, 2007 06:28AM

Re: Netjerykhet, Heliopolis reliefs

Jeff van Hout August 13, 2007 10:58AM

The link is dead

Anthony August 13, 2007 07:07AM

It did work, but here is a new one

Jeff van Hout August 13, 2007 10:21AM

Anthony!

Ritva Kurittu August 13, 2007 11:08AM

Re: Anthony!

Anthony August 13, 2007 01:16PM

Re: It did work, but here is a new one

Greg Reeder August 13, 2007 12:08PM

Shu

Chris Tedder August 11, 2007 07:33AM

Re: Sealed Shafts

Ronald August 08, 2007 04:09PM

The hole...

Anthony August 08, 2007 06:12PM

Re: The hole...

MJ Thomas August 09, 2007 02:27AM

Re: The hole...

Anthony August 09, 2007 07:17AM

Re: The hole...

MJ Thomas August 09, 2007 01:17PM

Re: The hole...

Anthony August 09, 2007 03:59PM

Re: The hole...

MJ Thomas August 10, 2007 05:08AM

Re: The hole...

Anthony August 10, 2007 05:43AM

Re: The hole...

MJ Thomas August 10, 2007 08:59AM

Re: The hole...

Hermione August 10, 2007 09:17AM

Re: The hole...

MJ Thomas August 10, 2007 10:03AM

Re: The delay

Anthony August 10, 2007 10:21AM

Re: The delay

Ritva Kurittu August 10, 2007 01:59PM

Re: The delay

Anthony August 10, 2007 07:46PM

Re: The delay

MJ Thomas August 11, 2007 06:15AM

Re: The delay

Anthony August 11, 2007 06:20AM

Re: The delay

MJ Thomas August 11, 2007 11:53AM

Re: The delay

cladking August 10, 2007 02:43PM

Re: The delay

Anthony August 10, 2007 07:47PM

Re: The delay

cladking August 10, 2007 08:04PM

Re: The delay

MJ Thomas August 10, 2007 05:13PM

Re: The hole...

Hermione August 10, 2007 10:22AM

Re: The hole...

Ronald August 10, 2007 11:36AM

GP Shafts - A New Theory Coming Soon to HoM

Scott Creighton August 08, 2007 10:23AM

Re: GP Shafts - A New Theory Coming Soon to HoM

Ronald August 08, 2007 04:54PM

A photo...

Jon_B August 08, 2007 02:07PM

Re: A photo...

Ritva Kurittu August 08, 2007 02:14PM

Re: A photo...

Jon_B August 08, 2007 02:24PM

Re: A photo...

Ritva Kurittu August 08, 2007 02:31PM

Re: A photo...

Anthony August 08, 2007 02:30PM



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