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May 5, 2024, 3:00 am UTC    
July 16, 2007 09:52AM
The Hatshepsut identification seems about as certain as such things can be,
but silly me - I'd thought they actually fitted the tooth physically rather than
virtually!

However we still have three unaccounted for mummies. The evidence that implies
'Inet' is not Inet still holds so who is she? And what about Serene Lady and
Screaming Lady? Given their presence in the Deir el Bahri cache they must
have been royal and mummification technique suggests they are 18th Dynasty -
so who?

Screaming lady was elderly, so why would anybody murder an old royal lady?
Or could it have been an accident or even a muffed execution? Serene lady was
apparently not a queen, or was she mummified before the bent arm became standard?
Could these ladies belong to the troubled years of the early 18th dynasty, be
Ahmossids rather than Thutmossids?

Speaking of Ahmossids as opposed to Thutmossids; If A Nefertari's mtDNA really
does match Hatshepsut's that means either Hat's mother Ahmose was indeed her
daughter and so a child of Pharaoh Ahmose, (all these Ahmoses!). *OR* A Nefer's
daughter's daughter and so a possible child of Amenhotep I, despite her non-
use of the title 'King's Daughter'. *OR* she could be the child of the 'Royal
Mother Sensoneb and so Thutmose I's full sister meaning both were descended
from the Ahmossids on the mother's side. *OR* simply that they were more remote
maternal line relations - as no doubt were many of the Theban nobility.

Not terribly helpful really.....

It was nice to see the 'Feud of the Thutmossids' finally put to rest. Hat
clearly died a natural death at an advanced - for an AE - age. As her health
failed Thutmose III would naturally have become more prominent leading to a
peaceful transfer of power over time - which is supported by the continuity
between her administration and his.

Amenhotep II was young at the time of his accession and Thutmose had several
elder daughters. He might well have been concerned that Hat's example might
give them - or nobles backing them - ideas. Hence the destruction of Hat's
record as 'Pharoah'. Her monuments as queen were untouched as was her mummy.
The way Thutmose III saw it he was putting 'maat' right by demoting his
stepmother and co-regent. He believed she would understand - and maybe he was
right for Hatshepsut's defensiveness over her position - despite the absence
of any recorded opposition - suggests she was less then comfortable in her
pharaonic role.

BTW Neferure was being groomed to take her Mum's place as 'God's Wife' as
can be plainly seen by her regalia, not Pharoah. Thutmose III's position was
never threatened in any way. He remained Pharoah, co-regencies were well
precedented the only thing odd about this one was the senior Pharoah's sex.
As far as young Thutmose was concerned nothing really changed. He was still
Pharaoh and 'Aunt Hat' was still running things for him until he grew up.
By the time he was old enough to exercise power she was aging and ill. The
co-regency ended with her death in the usual way and he buried her with the
usual honors like a good 'son' and successor.

As for Senenmut; of course on can never be sure but personally I doubt the
'lovers' theory. A look at his monuments suggest a rather different personality
from the lover and svengali of lore. An aging bachelor, fond of animals, fillial
towards his family and devoted to his queen and her daughter who are clearly
everthing to him. IMO Senenmut wasn't a lover but a father figure, something
the young queen needed far more. BTW a statue base inscribed with his name was
found among the rubble of Thutmose III's Deir el Bahri temple suggesting a lack
of hostility there.


Subject Author Posted

Hatshepsut show tonight

Katherine Reece July 15, 2007 10:07PM

Re: Hatshepsut show tonight

Jammer July 16, 2007 06:05AM

Re: Hatshepsut show tonight

Roxana Cooper July 16, 2007 09:52AM

Took notes this time....

Katherine Reece July 16, 2007 10:14PM

Re: Took notes this time....

Roxana Cooper July 17, 2007 11:29AM

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Khazar-khum July 17, 2007 02:11PM

Re: Hatshepsut show tonight

Warwick L Nixon July 16, 2007 11:05AM

Re: Hatshepsut show tonight

Katherine Reece July 16, 2007 11:11AM

Re: Hatshepsut show tonight

Warwick L Nixon July 16, 2007 11:16AM

DNA Sampling

Roxana Cooper July 16, 2007 11:22AM

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Katherine Reece July 16, 2007 12:23PM

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Jammer July 16, 2007 02:40PM

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Roxana Cooper July 16, 2007 04:30PM

Re: Hatshepsut show tonight

Rick Baudé July 16, 2007 12:41PM

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Katherine Reece July 16, 2007 12:55PM

Re: Hatshepsut show tonight

Lee July 16, 2007 12:40PM

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Katherine Reece July 16, 2007 12:48PM

Re: Hatshepsut show tonight

Khazar-khum July 16, 2007 01:40PM

Re: Hatshepsut show tonight

Roxana Cooper July 16, 2007 01:51PM

Re: Hatshepsut show tonight

Katherine Reece July 16, 2007 02:55PM

Re: Hatshepsut show tonight

Roxana Cooper July 16, 2007 04:31PM

Re: Hatshepsut show tonight

Jammer July 16, 2007 03:19PM

Re: Hatshepsut show tonight

Mark Morgan July 16, 2007 12:45PM

When's the repeat ???

Katherine Reece July 16, 2007 07:29PM

Re: When's the repeat ???

Greg Reeder July 16, 2007 07:43PM

Re: When's the repeat ???

Katherine Reece July 16, 2007 08:00PM

The box with the tooth....

Katherine Reece July 16, 2007 10:18PM

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Joe_S July 17, 2007 01:40AM

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Katherine Reece July 17, 2007 01:46AM

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Katherine Reece July 18, 2007 08:57AM

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Roxana Cooper July 18, 2007 09:39AM

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Katherine Reece July 18, 2007 01:34PM

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Khazar-khum July 18, 2007 02:56PM

Pharaoh DNA Analysis: Preliminary Results Support Positive Identification Of Egyptian Queen

Katherine Reece July 17, 2007 02:01AM

Re: Pharaoh DNA Analysis: Preliminary Results Support Positive Identification Of Egyptian Queen

Greg Reeder July 17, 2007 09:51AM

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Katherine Reece July 17, 2007 09:59AM

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Greg Reeder July 17, 2007 10:16AM



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