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May 8, 2024, 6:51 am UTC    
May 21, 2005 11:33PM
wirelessguru1 wrote:

"Just more physical evidence of significant
global Earth changes that are going on as
we approach the end of this present macro
cycle! Again, not an everyday "normal" event..."

The claim by wirelessguru1 that this a significant event
representing the end of imaginary "macro cycles" is refuted by
the fact that this lake has disappeared in the past but come
back before its latest diappearance. This is cleasly noted by
the article "Russian lake is left high and dry" by Moscow
reporter Nick Paton Walsh, which was published Saturday May 21,
2005 in The Guardian, [www.guardian.co.uk].

The article stated:

"The lake vanished two weeks ago when its
snow and ice melted. It is thought to have
drained into an underground river or cave.
The crater has a cone 20 metres wide and
15 metres deep down which the water probably
disappeared."

and

"In Bolotnikovo, older residents remember a
previous instance when the lake disappeared.
It came back then, and villagers are optimistic
it will fill up once again."

Another article, "Lake vanishes overnight in Russia", Sat, 21 May 2005,
CBC News, [www.cbc.ca] , stated:

"Local official Dmitry Klyuev said several houses
had been swallowed up under similar circumstances
70 years ago."

It is quite clear that this lake has disappeared and refilled again in
the past without the influence of any "macro cycles" of any sort.

In the BBC News article, at [news.bbc.co.uk], there is a picture, which
shows the edge of a classic karst sinkhole. Sinkhole development occurs
many times a years in various parts of the world underlain by carbonate
rocks, i.e. limestone, dolomite, and marble, without being part of some
so-called "macro-cycle". Sinkholes have swallowed cars, houses, roads,
trees, and drained lakes before. It is possible that the neck of a
sinkhole, over time to be jammed by woody debrie and plugged with clayey
sediment allowing the water to accumulate as a lake again until the
decaying of the wood weakens the plug allowing the weight of the
accumulated water to collapse the plug, which allows the water to drain
into the sinkhole again.

Sokme exampels of sinkholes:

1. Sinkhole drains retention pond at factory farm
RORY SCHULER, Staff Writer, Lebanon Daily News, April 13, 2005
[www.creekwebsite.org]
South Annville Township, Georgia

2. Gambling on the Karst? By Mary Losure, Minnesota Public Radio
September 10, 2001 Gambling on the Karst? [news.minnesota.publicradio.org]
It has photo of Municipal sewage lagoon near Bellchester, Minnesota
drained by sinkhole collapse in 1992. For more details look at:

Alexander, E. C., Jr., Brogerg, J. S., Kehren, A. R., Graziani,
M. M. and Turri, W.L., 1993. Bellchester Minnesota lagoon
collapse. in Beck, B.F. (ed.), pp. 63-72, Applied Karst Geology.
Balkema, Rotterdam.

3. Sinkhole Disasters and Quotes from the Press [www.tuningoracle.com]
This article stated:

"If this year is anything like 2000, Central
Florida residents are in for some real catastrophes.
Last summer, a sinkhole opened under Lake McCoy in
Apopka and sucked dry what had been 140 acres of
water teeming with fish, anglers and boaters.
Within a week, thousands of fish lay rotting on
the dry bottom. Almost no place seemed safe."

4. Geologic Hazard Drains 23-acre Lake Chesterfield Newsbriefs, Missouri
Department of Natural resources. October 22, 2004, [www.dnr.mo.gov]

"The Harbor is a prestigious lakeside community in
west St. Louis County. In mid-June, the community’s
23-acre centerpiece, Lake Chesterfield, had completely
disappeared leaving in its wake a large pit of mud
(see back cover photo of this issue). This startling
phenomenon was caused by a sinkhole that had seemingly
formed in a matter of days Ð the geologic equivalent
of pulling the drain plug in a sink."

and

Woe! Lake begone! 23-acre body of water disappears in St. Louis
suburb, The Associated Press, June 11, 2004 [msnbc.msn.com]
and [www.urbanplanet.org].

5. KARST COUNTRY OF THE NE LOWER PENINSULA [www.geo.msu.edu]

"Shoepac Lake
Silt and clay brought in by small streams have
thoroughly sealed the bottom of some sinkholes,
thereby creating sink lakes. Shoepac, and several
nearby lakes, is made up of one or more sinkholes
completely sealed off from underground drainage.
Recent, 1976 and 1994, active karst collapse can
be seen at the eastern edge of Shoepac Lake,
providing evidence of the ongoing collapse of
the sinkholes beneath the lake."

and

"The Rainy Lake Episode(s)
Rainy Lake, located about four miles east of
Shoepac Lake, is composed of five or six sinkholes.
The deepest sink typically has up to 100 feet of
water in it and acts as a swallow. Rainy Lake has
had significant fluctuations of its water level in
the past. This is frequently caused by catastrophic
drainage due to the temporary loss of the silt and
clay "plugs" which seal the sinkholes. The last drop
occurred between 1979 and 1982 (compare the aerial
photos of Rainy Lake taken in 1981 and 1983), when
a 4 to 5 foot vertical drop in the water level
occurred in February 1982. Measurements have shown
a change in the bottom contours of the lake due to
the continuing collapse of sinkholes beneath the
lake."

The above examples demonstrate that the draining of a lake by the
formation of a sinkhole is a completely insufficient reason to
start claiming that the "sky is falling" because of imaginary
"macro cycles". There is nothing new or anomalous in the fact that
a lake disappears down a sinkhole and later refills only to
disappear again. Contrary to what wirelessguru1 falsely claims the
abrupt disappearance of a lake can be a rather "normal" event that
is readily explained by simple and well documented geologic
processes.

Yours,

Paul
Baton rouge, La







Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 05/21/2005 11:45PM by Paul H..
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