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September 17, 2001 01:57AM
<HTML>ISHMAEL wrote:
>
> this is ultimately a war against terrorism, not against
> nation states! (But if you disagree with the last point,
> please do say so.)
> -----------
>
> I do disagree (and apologize for the length of the post to
> follow).
>
> Terrorists are merely the bullets in the gun

There is a distinction between 'terrorism' (which is what I was referring to) and 'terrorist'.

[...]
> The disarmament process involves both prosecution (I do not
> mean to imply a stricly legal "prosecution") of the
> terrorists themselves but, most importantly, punishment and
> policing of the *S*tates that have made or might be tempted
> to make use of the terrorist option.

Probably every nation in the world, including your own, has either used or funded terrorism at some time or another. Where do you draw the line?

>
> My advocation of *invasion* and *occupation* of those
> coutries whose governments may bear indirect and/or direct
> responsibility for the most recent attack stems from three
> beliefs.

...and entirely ignores the consequences of invasion and occupation. Afghanistan, for example, is possibly the most difficult country in the world in which to sustain an invasion and occupation. You ignore the 'Hydra' effect. As I asked you to do before, look at your own response to the horror of last week's events; surely you know enough about human nature to recognise that the citizens of other nations would be as outraged by the bombing and occupation of their nation as you would be by the bombing and occupation of yours.


> Firstly, *S*tate sponsored terrorism is the *clear and
> present danger.*

Do you include (for example) the US-sponsored terrorism in Sudan?

[snip rationalisation of military options with which I disagree and have stated why elsewhere]

> All Diplomacy ultimately depends upon a nation's ability to
> put an army in the field. This principle was formulated
> theoretically in the days of Metternich and Bismark - it
> still holds true to this day.

Look where Bismarck's methods ultimately led!</HTML>
Subject Author Posted

Sadam Behind Attacks, says SAIS

ISHMAEL September 15, 2001 04:53PM

Re: Sadam Behind Attacks, says SAIS

Claire September 15, 2001 05:01PM

Re: Sadam Behind Attacks, says SAIS

ISHMAEL September 15, 2001 06:07PM

Re: Sadam Behind Attacks, says SAIS

Mikey Brass September 16, 2001 12:56PM

Re: Sadam Behind Attacks, says SAIS

ISHMAEL September 16, 2001 01:06PM

Re: Sadam Behind Attacks, says SAIS

Mikey Brass September 16, 2001 01:24PM

Re: Sadam Behind Attacks, says SAIS

al-Urman September 16, 2001 02:49PM

Re: Sadam Behind Attacks, says SAIS

ISHMAEL September 16, 2001 03:20PM

Re: Sadam Behind Attacks, says SAIS

Stephen Tonkin September 16, 2001 04:58PM

Re: Sadam Behind Attacks, says SAIS

Mercury Rapids September 16, 2001 05:18PM

Re: Sadam Behind Attacks, says SAIS

ISHMAEL September 17, 2001 12:28AM

Re: Sadam Behind Attacks, says SAIS

Stephen Tonkin September 17, 2001 01:57AM

Re: Sadam Behind Attacks, says SAIS

Mikey Brass September 16, 2001 05:32PM

Re: Sadam Behind Attacks, says SAIS

R. Avry Wilson September 15, 2001 06:03PM

Re: Sadam Behind Attacks, says SAIS

ISHMAEL September 15, 2001 06:11PM

Fighting a war against terrorism, not nation states.

Stephen Tonkin September 16, 2001 05:39AM

Re: Fighting a war against terrorism, not nation states.

Garrett September 16, 2001 07:26AM

Re: Sadam Behind Attacks, says SAIS

R. Avry Wilson September 15, 2001 06:18PM



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