Doug Weller Wrote:
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> Khazar-khum Wrote:
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> > Those are all big skulls. What you want is on
> this
> > page:
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> >
> >
> > Scroll down to the comparison of average
> human
> > jaws with the giant ones.
>
> Sorry, but how do I actually know what I'm seeing
> is what it claims to be? As for the Si-te-Cah, the
> article on Wikipedia at says "Adrienne Mayor
> writes about the Si-Te-Cah in her book, Legends of
> the First Americans. She suggests that the 'giant'
> interpretation of the skeletons from Lovelock Cave
> and other dry caves in Nevada was started by
> entrepreneurs setting up tourist displays and that
> the skeletons themselves were of normal size.

Nothing in the Native American oral traditions of Lovelock Cave to imply giants:
[www.yosemite.ca.us]
see the last paragraphs of chapter IV.

Sarah also writes: "Their parents tell them stories, traditions of old times, even of the first mother of the human race; and love stories, stories of giants, and fables; and when they ask if these last stories are true, they answer, “Oh, it is only
coyote,” which means that they are make-believe stories."

> She also discusses the reddish hair,
> pointing out that hair pigment is not stable after
> death and that various factors such as
> temperature, soil, etc. can turn ancient very dark
> hair rusty red or orange.

Yep:
[tinyurl.com]
"A quantity of hair is present with Spirit Cave Man and was approximately shoulder length. The current color of the hair is reddish-brown. Hair present in an archaeological context, regardless of its original color, is often brown or reddish-brown which is generally due to the interaction over time with surrounding chemicals in the soil or ground water."

This may be just a coincidence, but Sarah also says:
"My people say that the tribe we exterminated had reddish hair. I have some of their hair, which has been handed down from father to son.
I have a dress which has been in our family a great many years, trimmed with this reddish hair. I am going to wear it some time when I lecture. It is called the mourning dress, and no one has such a dress but my family."

[...]

6] Also, several of the
> fiber sandals found in the cave were remarkably
> large, and one reported at over 15 inches (38 cm)
> in length was said to be on display at the Nevada
> Historical Society's museum in Reno in 1952.

This can easily be explained. Don't we today buy winter boots larger than needed for extra room for heavy socks?

[www.oregonencyclopedia.org]
"Fort Rock sandals may have been winter wear. Ethnographers have documented Klamath and Paiute Indians, who lived in the Fort Rock area in more recent times, making shoes from tule reeds and sagebrush bark, sometimes stuffed with dry grass for insulating warmth to protect feet in icy marsh waters."

So the size of the shoe may not represent the actual foot size. With my cold feet I would need a size 20 sandal with room for ten pounds of grass insulation.

So as far as giants, I vote "made-believe" and the red hair issue could be solved with DNA testing...if they can get permission.