You are already there. it is called clovis forever. Not going there.

What are you talking about? You are really out there lost in clovis.
The abstract link is about valseqiuillo; NOT the same area site involving claimed footprints. is that too hard to understand? I realize the clovis types like to mix the two because then they extend the failure (reported by gonzalez footprints) with The other valseqillo site (the controversial dated one to 250-k). One is wrong so both are wrong. No; Well you are plain wrong no matter how much you try to spin it.

The abstact has how many controversial labels in that short paragraph? By every date claim type? Well the dating techniques and tools work. They have been used all over the world. They are reliable and get the right results. The results at THE valsequillo site say 250k. they have tried 5-6 times to show the dates or tools are WRONG or unreliable and the results come up the same. even new tools were added and the results are the SAME. Try THAT probabilty outcome in your statistical world. And the controversial (oh how clovis loves that word) volcanic ash dating and stratigraphy. STILL the same results done by different geologists. Sorry the dates don't fit your world view. One would think that after 5-6 tries and the same results and the proven track record of the tools all over the world it MIGHT behove the clovis firsters to prove the instrumentation wrong. But know we fall back on it's controversial.it can't be, and archaeologists don't accept it so it isn't. Nice package of pseudoscience you ascribe to. And you want me to accept a probability scenario in place of data tool instrumentation? You can have that humbuggery folsom stuff all to your lonesome.

Of course we will NEVER get another dating and stratigraphy at the site. it is ruined. You can believe accident and coincidence. I reside elsewhere.

And for roxana:

You are right about some alternos never accepting the result. Much like the resident clovis firster here. I would point out something. Many moons ago there was that supposed Russiam girl who survived the execution during WWI. They even made a movie about her. Well when DNA stuff was done She was a simple polish girl who concoted the whole thing. Even after that determination some family members still believed the story. Most stories of controversial stuff end that way. If the dating were proved wrong at the end I would have no problen accepting those results. it obviously isn't going to happen. So what we are stuck with is an OOPS site with repeated date results. No matter how unlikely that may be that TRUMPS any or all :it can't be;therefore it is not" scenarios. That is where I am.