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May 16, 2024, 7:20 pm UTC    
July 28, 2006 12:03AM
<"...If you want proof I'm afraid that's not possible..."

I wasn't asking for proof; just as assessment of the impact of some relevant evidence.

<"..One has to compare cultures, say England over the period in question..."

The period in question? Your original post seemed to be talking about the origins of differing types of religion, as defined by you. "England" is a very late construct, and totally irrelevant. You talk of China as the most feminine culture known to us, implying it was non-aggressive and (from your website) non-creative; and yet admit to no knowledge of its formative periods, including the period when Confucianism and Daoism arose - a wildly violent and wildly creative time.

<"...My understanding of Chinese history (a very general understanding) doesn't provide (outside of Ghengis Khan) any example of war with Japan that compares with England's with France. I don't think tribal warfare counts. I don't think the treatment of the people by the ruler counts...."

In fact, the squabbles within Europe in the first half of this millennium are not unlike the inter-kingdom rivalries in the Shang and Zhou periods. I think one of your many mistakes is in thinking of China in its formative phases as having been one monolithic political entity, whereas in fact it was a more like a patchwork quilt with attitude. And I'm not talking "tribal warfare", I'm talking warfare between independent complex states.

So you feel Genghis doesn't count. Tribal warfare doesn't count. Hierarchical oppression doesn't count. You're cherry-picking.

<"..Ultimately, I think this is a powerfully explanatory generalization. You don't..."

You're right, I don't, because (a) it's unfalsifiable, (b) it's out of touch with the evidence, and (c) I can't for the life of me see anything it explains.

<"...If you don't like the example of China, I think the American Indian is a great example of my point...."

Uh - which "the" American Indian do you mean?



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AE

Joe Schiller July 27, 2006 01:36PM

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Rebby July 27, 2006 06:21PM

huh?

Peski July 27, 2006 06:30PM

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Katherine Reece July 27, 2006 07:43PM

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Warwick L Nixon July 30, 2006 09:19AM

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Warwick L Nixon July 28, 2006 10:04AM

...about China...

darkuser July 28, 2006 12:40PM

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Joe Schiller July 28, 2006 05:57PM

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Joe Schiller July 29, 2006 04:04PM

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Joe Schiller July 30, 2006 12:56PM

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Joe Schiller July 31, 2006 11:08AM

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Roxana Cooper July 29, 2006 03:47PM

The Shaduf...

Warwick L Nixon July 28, 2006 04:05PM

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assumptions

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Marco Polo

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Re: ...about China...

Roxana Cooper July 29, 2006 03:39PM

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Joe Schiller July 27, 2006 05:18PM

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Off topic

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Source for Toltec war

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Chaotic Logic

Warwick L Nixon July 28, 2006 12:41PM

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Hypothesis

Joe Schiller July 31, 2006 01:31PM

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darkuser July 31, 2006 03:18PM

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Note

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