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September 18, 2004 07:42AM
Dark Energy wrote:
More than 150,000 years ago beings morphologically identical to man of today were living in the region of the great lakes at the sources of the River Nile in Africa and nowhere else. Humanity may well have been born in Africa. The fact is that to this day the most important stock of human bones found has been in South Africa. It is the only place in the world where the bone findings allow us to reconstitute the genealogical tree of mankind uninterruptedly from it’s beginning until today.
So what does this tell us?
· The earliest men were ethnically homogenous and Negroid.

Why? Let’s look at just one fact to wet your appetite, we’ll look at a number of others later as argued by Cheikh Anta Diop in his book 'The African origin of civilisation'.
The basis of the statement that earliest men were ethnically homogenous and Negroid is that of Gloger’s law which says that warm blooded animals evolving in a warm, humid climate will secrete a black pigment (eumelanin). This it would seem is also applicable to human beings. Hence if mankind originated in the tropics around the latitude of the lakes, he was bound to have brown pigmentation from the start and it would appear that by dispersion into other climates the original stock of human beings split into the different races. It has been shown in that the evaluation of melanin level by microscopic examination is a laboratory method which would enable the classification of Ancient Egyptians as blacks.
· If the location of earliest man is correct then these early men could only have moved out to people the other continents through two routes, the Sahara and the Nile Valley.

There is much evidence supporting the route of the Nile Valley. The ancient Egyptian civilisation was based in the Nile Valley. That Egyptian civilisation was of Negroid origin. To some it may seem harsh as we are not accustomed to according intelligence to the black or related races, let alone the discovery and founding of the first civilisation.
Black history rewritten - Let’s look at some more facts pointing in this direction.
The great Egyptologist Abbe Emile Amelineau (1850-1916) wrote that the first Black race to occupy Egypt were known by the name Anu. He showed how they came slowly down the Nile and founded the cities of Esneh, Erment, Qouch and Heliopolis. This Black race according to Amelineau probably created in prehistoric times all the elements of Egyptian civilisation which persisted without significant change throughout its existence. It is these blacks that were probably the first to practice agriculture, to irrigate the valley of the Nile, build dams, invent sciences, arts, writing, the calendar. They also created the cosmogony contained in 'The Book of the Dead', texts which leave not doubt about the Negroness of the race that conceived the ideas.

According to Amelineau: ‘These Anu were an agricultural people raising cattle on a large scale along the Nile, shutting themselves up in walled cities for defensive purposes. To this people we can attribute, without fear of error, the most ancient Egyptian books, The Book of the Dead and the Texts of the Pyramids, consequently, all the myths or religious teachings. I would add almost all the philosophical systems then known and still called Egyptian. They evidently knew the crafts necessary for any civilisation and were familiar with the tools those trades required. They knew how to use metals, at least elementary metals. They made the earliest attempts at writing, for the whole Egyptian tradition attributes this art to Thoth, the great Hermes an Anu like Osiris…Certainly the people already knew the principal arts; it left proof of this in the architecture of the tombs at Abydos, especially the tomb of Osiris and in those sepulchers objects have been found bearing unmistakable stamp of their origin, such as carved ivory, or a little head of a Nubian girl found in a tomb neat that of Osiris, or the small wooden or ivory receptacles in the form of a feline head …..’

Osteological measurements

Lepsius Canon in round figures gives the bodily proportions of the ideal Egyptian, short armed and of Negroid or negritic physical type. By this criterion the Egyptians belonged among the black race.
Blood groups

Even today Egyptians particularly in Upper Egypt belong to the same B Blood Group as the populations of western Africa on the Atlantic seaboard and not the A2 Group characteristic of the white race prior to any cross breeding.
What race were the Egyptians according to the Classical authors of antiquity?

Herodotus ‘the father of history’ – 480-425 BC made an observation about the ethnic origin of the then Colchians who lived on the shores of the Black Sea . Herodotus wrote that ‘the Colchidians are Egyptian by race’ In conversing with several Egyptians he was told that the Colchidians were the descendents of soldiers of the Pharaoh Sesostris’s army. He explains his own basis for thinking likewise and cites the fact that the Colchidians ‘ have black skins and kinky hair and secondly and more reliably for the reason that alone among mankind the Egyptians and the Ethiopians have practiced circumcision since time immemorial.’
Aristotle 389-332BC – scientist, philosopher and tutor to Alexander the Great.
In one of his minor works attempts to establish a correlation between the physical and moral natures of living beings and leaves us evidence of the Egyptian-Ethiopian race which confirms what Herodotus says.
Apollodorus, first century before the Christian era, Greek philosopher said.
‘Aegyptso conquered the country of the black footed ones and called it Egypt after himself.’
Aeschylus 525 to 456 BC was a tragic poet and the creator of Greek tragedy.
He cites in ‘The Suppliants’, Danaos, fleeing with his daughters from his brother Aegyptos with his sons who sought to wed their cousins by force, Aegyptos climbed a hillock and was looking out to sea and described his people the Aegytiads with the words ‘ I can see the crew with their black limbs and white tunics’.
Ammianus Marcellinus, a Latin historian approximately 330 AD to 400 AD wrote ‘ the men of Egypt are mostly brown or black with a skinny desiccated look’
Volney who travelled in Egypt between 1783 and 1785 at the peak of the Negro slavery made the following observations on the true Egyptian race the same which produced the pharaohs ( the Copts)
‘All of them are puffy faced, heavy eyed and thick lipped, in a word, real mulatto faces. I was tempted to attribute this to the climate until, on visiting the Sphinx, the look of it gave me the clue to the enigma. Beholding that head characteristically Negro in all it’s features, I recalled the well known passage of Herodotus which reads: ‘For my part I consider the Colchoi are a colony of the Egyptians because, like them, they are black skinned and kinky-haired’ In other words the ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same stock as all the autochthonous peoples of Africa and from that datum one sees how their race, after some centuries of mixing with the blood of Romans and Greeks, must have lost the full blackness of its original colour, but retained the impress of it’s original mould.’

How the Egyptians viewed themselves

The Egyptians had only one term to describe themselves and that was ‘Kmt’ which means the Negroes. It is the strongest term existing in the Pharaonic tongue to indicate blackness. The biblical route Kam is probably derived from it. Generally speaking both Jewish and Arab tradition class ancient Egypt with the countries of the blacks.
Deities

Black or Negro are the adjectives renowned for describing Egyptian Gods.
The surnames of the Gods are these:
Kmwr = The ‘Great Negro’ for Osiris
Km = the black + the name of the God
Kmt = the black + the name of the Goddess.

The Egyptians always painted their gods black as coal in the image of their race, from the beginning to the end of their history.
Egyptian tradition gleaned from the texts of the Pyramids and the Book of the dead, tells us unequivocally that the Egyptian Deities belonged to the black race. With the myth of Osiris being undone by the discovery of his tomb by Abbe Emile Amelineau it puts into perspective a cultural trait characteristic of Black Africa the phenomenon of the dead ancestor becoming the object of a cult where their teachings in the realm of social life and civilisation have proved effective. They are made Gods, on a plane different to the Greek hero. They are totally detached from the human level but this does not mean that they never existed.

Circumcision

Circumcision is of Egyptian and Ethiopian origin and the Egyptians and Ethiopians were none other than Negroes inhabiting different regions. The Jews and the Arabs practice circumcision despite the fact that their traditions present no valid justification for it. The book of Genesis in the bible simply states that Abraham and later Moses were circumcised as a sign of covenant with God, according to Jewish tradition circumcision can lead to the notion of an alliance. Hence Abraham was circumcised in his nineties not long after conceiving a child with one of his Egyptian servants Hagar mother of Ishmael, the biblical ancestor of the Arabs. Moses too wed a Madianite and it was in connection with his marriage that the Eternal asked him to be circumcised. What is noticeable in these legendary tales is that circumcision was introduced to the Arabs and the Jews only as a result of their contact with the Black world. It is only among blacks that circumcision finds an interpretation integrated in the general explanation of the universe (Cosmogony), specifically in the Dogon ethnic group in the Republic of Mali, formerly French Sudan. To make sense circumcision must be accompanied by Excision. These two operations remove something female from the male and something male form the female. To the archaic mentality it is the idea of fortifying the dominant character of the single sex in a given human being. According to Dogon cosmogony, a new born baby is to a certain extent androgynous like the first God. So for the explanation circumcision to be valid, divine androgyny which is the traditional cause of circumcision in Black African society must have also existed in Egyptian society. Champollion the younger wrote in his letter to Champollion Figeac about the divine androgyny of Amon, Supreme God of the Meroitic Sudan and Egypt. ‘Amon is the point of departure and the focal point of all divine essences. Amon Ra, the Supreme primordial being is his own father and termed the husband of his mother, he has his feminine portion enclosed in his own essence that is both male and female. At the same time the idea of excision must also have existed in Egyptian society and according to Strabo it did ‘The Egyptians are especially careful of raising all their children and circumcise the boys and even the girls, a custom common to the Jews, a people originally from Egypt, as we observed when we discussed that subject.’
Kinship

In Egypt the king was not supposed to reign unless he was in good health. Originally when his strength declined, he was really put to death. The practice of replacing the king whenever his vital strength declines stems form the same vitalistic tenets through out the black world. According to those beliefs, the fertility of the soil, the abundant harvests, the health of the people and the cattle, the normal flow of events and of the phenomena of life , are ultimately linked to the potential of the ruler’s vital force. The following people still practice the ritualistic death of the King; The Yoruba, Dagomba, Shamba, Igara, Songhay, the Hausa of Gobir, Katsena and Daura,and the Shilluk. This practice also existed in ancient Nubia, Uganda-Rwanda.

Matriarchy

Female dominated system of society with descent through the female line is the basis of the social organisation in Egypt and throughout Black Africa. In sharp contrast there has never been any proof of the existence of a paleo-Mediterranean matriarchy supposedly exclusively white.
The absence of queens in Greek, Roman or Persian history should be noted and yet in stark contrast during those remote epochs, queens were frequent in Black Africa. Negro matriarchy is as alive today as it was during Antiquity. In regions where the matriarchy system has not been altered by external influences (Islam) it is the woman who transmits political rights – heredity is effective only matrilineally.
Another typical aspect of African matriarchy is the dowry paid by the man, a custom reversed in European counties. The woman holds a privileged position in Africa and so it is she who receives a guarantee in the form of a dowry in the alliance called marriage. Thus if the marriage is broken off it is to the man’s disadvantage

Pockets of civilisation located in the heart of Negro lands

The Indo-Europeans never created a civilisation in their own native lands the Eurasian plains.
As Cheikh Anta Diop pointed out:
'The civilisations attributed to them are inevitably located in the heart of Negro countries in the southern part of Northern Hemisphere, Egypt, Arabia, Phoenicia, Mesopotamia, Elam, India – In all these lands there were already Negro civilisatons when the Indo Europeans arrived as rough nomads during the second millennium. Standard procedure consists of demonstrating that these savage populations brought with them all the elements of civilisation wherever they went. The question that comes to mind is ‘Why did so many creative aptitudes appear only when there was contact with Blacks, never in the original cradle of the Eurasian steppes. If we refer to the most remote Antiquity, the evidence forces us to start from the Black countries to explain all the phenomena of civilisation. It would be incorrect to say that civilisation was born of racial mixture, for there is proof that it existed in Black lands well before any historical contact with Europeans. Ethnically homogenous, the Negro people created all the elements of civilisation by adapting to the favourable geographical conditions of their early homelands. From then on, their countries became the magnets attracting the inhabitants of the ill favoured backward lands nearby who tried to move there to improve their existence. Various white invasions of Egypt during the historical period are recorded: Hyksos(Seythians), Libyans, Assyrians, Persians. None of these brought any new development in Mathematics, Astronomy, Physics, Chemistry, Medicine, Philosophy, The Arts or Political Organisation.'

Languages

The comparison of African languages to Egyptian leads not to vague relationships that can at best be considered as possibilities, but an identity of grammatical facts too numerous to be a coincidence.

Professor Gordon Jaquet in her contributions to the UNESCO General History of Africa series stated that.
'In asserting that no massive immigrations or invasions of foreign populations had arrived in Egypt at least since Neolithic times. It is a well known phenomenon that topographical names are extremely long lived and that each successive language group inhabiting the same area would leave it’s mark on that area in the form of place names, more or less numerous depending on the size of the population and the length of time of its predominance in that area. Any important permanent addition to the Egyptian populations from the exterior would certainly have left its mark on the toponomy of the country. This was not the case. The toponomy of Egypt was very homogenous, displaying names whose etymology could almost without exception be explained by the Egyptian language itself. It was only at the Ptolemaic period and still later, after the Arab conquest, that names respectively Greek and Arabic origin were added to the basic fund of Egyptian names. It was only in the peripheral regions, Nubia, the Western Oases and the Eastern Delta – regions in immediate contact with neighbouring peoples speaking other languages – where names whose etymology could be traced to these foreign languages could be found.'

Totemism

Totemism is reflected in the idea of a biological relationship between man and beast either in the individual or in the collective sense Pharaoh participated in an animal essence ( the falcon) just as we do today in Black Africa. – it is impossible to deny that the taboo character of certain animals and plants in Egypt correspond to Totemism as it exists throughout black Africa. By contrast, such taboos were alien to the Greeks and other Indo European populations unaware of Totemism. Thus the Greeks scoffed at the excessive veneration of the Egyptian for animals and even of certain plants.

In current textbooks the question of the origin of the Ancient Egyptians is either suppressed or it is simply and flatly asserted that the Egyptians were white. Most of us would simply accept this assertion thinking that it must be supported by solid research. There is no such solid evidence to back a White Egyptian race.. generations after generations have simply been misled….
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