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Anthony

February 12, 2004 06:35AM

<HTML>Sebkhet wrote:
>
> Anthony the fact that you can climb onto a fence and
> crow over some one doesn't make your view point any more
> useful or compelling.

No, what makes a viewpoint more useful or compelling is evidence. I'm asking for it, and not getting any.

By virtue of my first statement, this makes Makheru's viewpoint useless and uncompelling. Thanks for helping clarify that point.

What it says to me is- Anthony is one
> who judges all knowledge and nothing gets by him!

I don't "judge" anything. I simply examine evidence, logic and methodology. Anybody can do it... it's called "critical thinking", and you don't have to be an ordained priest, minister, cult leader, professor, doctor or card-carrying member of CSICOP to do it. Makheru can do it...but appears to be unwilling.

> But on this
> latest little warp of yours I feel your slivers - you fell
> off the fence and broke off the pickets you were standing on.

You're imagining things. I asked for evidence to show the AE's fit the description Makheru asserted in his first post. Makheru provided no such evidence, but continuously tried to change the subject to his personal beliefs. I really don't care about his beliefs. I care about ancient Egyptians. It appears there is a huge difference between the two.

> If you were actually interested in learning anything or even
> helping anyone else to learn wouldn't you have tried a little
> harder to help Makheru recover the evidence of what you seek?

I asked several times. The fact that Makheru has dodged the question, and obfuscated with his own personal beliefs, is most certainly not MY fault. But... I'm not surprised that you would try to pin the blame for HIS choice of actions on me. It's either that, or deal with the FACT that the mistake is all his.

People are responsible for their own actions. Period.

> Or are you truly unaware of evidence that the Egyptians were
> well familiarized with their environs and the biological
> processes characteristic of such?

I asked for evidence of this assertion. You are now making it. Please provide your evidence. Thank you.

Are you familiar with the
> domestication, refinement and cultivation of plants and
> animals?

Very much so. Do you have evidence that this occurred, and is this evidence that supports Makheru's initial claim? The claim was:

>
> The people (ancient Egyptians) developed a highly intergrated
> understanding of their enviornment and universe around them

Can you explain how keeping goats gives one a highly integrated understanding of one's environment and universe around oneself?

This should be good. I know lots of farmers who seem to do just fine without "sacred geometry" ever entering their minds.

> Are you familiar with the manner in which figs are
> pollinated? How would one pollinate a fig when the insects
> native to the fig's native lands are absent? Weren't there
> figs dating back to the second dynasty or earlier?

And this relates to "integrated knowledge of the universe" in what way?

And when did they start this fig pollination, anyway? Can you supply some dates and references that prove it was an Egyptian invention, and not an import from Babylonia, Mesopotamia, or some other country that invented it first?

Even if they did develop it first, can you please tell me how it is not a product of simple observational science and trial and error application? The ancient Egyptians were a practical people. This wasn't something that needed to come from the priesthood. In fact, I'll wager they argued with it when the mud-digging farmer first brought it to their attention. "Who are you to think you can do the Aten's work???" They probably threatened to burn him or something.

>
> Regardless-Akhenaten published his treatise on the
> interdependence of nature's attributes
> and he wrote it for people to comprehend long after his death.

Ah, finally. Evidence that can be examined!

But first... who translated this? What are the translator's affiliations and qualifications? I ask because we must remember what Joseph Davidovits did with an offering list from a stela... he "translated" it as a list of chemicals needed to make geopolymers. It's easy to change words to fit a preconceived conclusion, and I want to make sure that isn't happening here.

>
> II) WORKS & NATURE OF THE ATEN
>
> the child
>
> 33 O You, who make semen grow in women,
> 34 who creates people from sperm,
> 35 who feeds the son in his mother's womb,
> 36 who soothes him to still his tears.
> 37 You nurse in the womb !
> 38 Giver of breath to nourish all creatures.
> 39 When the child emerges from the womb
> to breathe on the day of his birth,
> You open wide his mouth to supply his needs.

Childbirth has nothing to do with deities "breathing life" into the children. So far, you're only showing that the Egyptians were being force-fed religious dogma, not enlightenment.

>
> the chicken
>
> 40 The chick in the egg, chirping in the shell,
> 41 You give it breath within to sustain its life.
> 42 When it is complete, it breaks out from the egg.
> 43 It emerges from the egg, to say it is complete.
> 44 Walking on its legs when emerging.

A mystical deity provides oxygen to pre-hatched chicks? Is that a fact?

>
>
> 45 How many are Your deeds,
> 46 though hidden from sight.
> 47 O sole god without equal !
> 48 You made the earth as You desired, You alone .
> 49 With people, cattle, and all creatures.
> 50 With everything upon earth that walks on legs,
> 51 and all that is on high and flies with its wings.

"Intelligent Design", or "Creationism" have been debunked for a long, long time. You're trying to claim these people had an integrated awareness of their universe...yet they had these basic facts clearly wrong. How great can their understanding be? All they did was make the same mistake other cultures have made... they didn't get it right, either. That doesn't prove advancement, Sebkhet. It proves just the opposite, in fact.

>
>
> 52 The foreign lands of Syria and Nubia, and the land of Egypt,
> 53 You set everybody in his place and supply their needs.
> 54 They all have their food and their lifetimes are counted.
> 55 Tongues differ in speech, their characters as well.
> 56 Their skins are distinct, for You distinguished the peoples.

You might wish to confer with a molecular biologist or geneticist on this one, but I'm pretty sure that Syrians, Nubians and Egyptians weren't "created" or "set in place". They migrated there from various parts of the world. No cult deity required. Just humans, looking for food.

If this is your evidence, you sure aren't fairing very well.

>
> 57 You made the Nile in the netherworld.
> 58 You bring it up when You will,
> to keep those of Egypt alive,
> for You have created them for Yourself.

Gee...one would think that a culture that had an integrated and complete understanding of its universe would realize that it isn't a deity that makes the river rise, but the rain in the mountains to the south.

Once again.. it is showing that they were disconnected from reality... not intimately aware of it.

>
> 59 Lord of All who toils for them.
> 60 Lord of All Lands who shines for them.
> 61 O Aten of daytime, great in glory !
>
> 62 All distant lands, You make them live.
> 63 You made a heavenly Nile descend for them.
> 64 With waves beating on the mountains like the sea,
> to drench their fields and their towns.

Yeah... umm... that's called rain, and it's created by evaporation and humidity differentials in the atmosphere. Once again, these people took a belief-driven shortcut, and never bothered looking to see if they were right or wrong about their conclusions.

They were wrong.

>
> 65 How excellent are your ways, O Lord of Eternity !

Not evident at all, I'm afraid. These people had over 15 centuries at this point in their history, and they hadn't advanced one whit toward a better understanding of how things really worked... if I am to accept your evidence as an indication of their highest intellectual achievement.

> 66 The Nile from heaven for foreign peoples
> and all land-creatures that walk on legs.
> 67 For Egypt the Nile from the netherworld.
>
>
> 68 Your rays nurse all fields.
> 69 When You shine they live, they grow for You.

Well, if we're talking about the sun, then they have a rudimentary, crude understanding of sunlight=plantgrowth. However, I don't see any evidence that they discovered how chlorophyl and photosynthesis work... do you?

> 70 You made the seasons,
> so that all that You made may come to life.
> 71 Winter cools them, and heat makes them sense You.

Actually, it's the obliquity of the earth's axis that makes the seasons. The sun is exactly the same throughout the year.

What was it you were trying to prove again? How much they knew? Or how little....

>
>
> 72 You created the sky far away in order to ascend to it,
> to witness everything You created.

See previous notes on Creationism.

> 73 You are alone, shining in Your form of the living Aten.

Another great cosmological error. There are billions and billions of suns in the universe. So much for being alone...

> 74 Risen, radiant, distant and near.

"distant and near"... .there's one way of making sure you don't get the answer wrong! You don't happen to have any references to the Aten being an average of 286 billion cubits away, do you? That would help....

> 75 You made millions of forms from Yourself alone :
> cities, towns, fields, the river's course.

Again... see previous notes on debunked Creationism.

And I'm sure the men and women who built the cities, town and cleared and plowed the fields would love to know that they were gods. Do you think anybody told them before they died?

> 76 All eyes see You above them
> as the Aten of the daytime on high.
>

Well, I think I'm living proof that THIS one is completely wrong.

And by the way... are you aware that Atenism was completely dead and forgotten before hieroglyphs were translated by Champollion in 1817? Not quite the self-evident "knowledge" people think it is, was it....

>
> 80 The ones on earth come into being by Your hand,
> in the way You made them.

I guess I count as his worst foul-up then, huh....

> 81 When You rise, they live.
> 82 When You set, they die.

The Aten "set" for 1500 years before hieroglyphs were re-translated by the French. Humanity still flourished. Oops.

> 83 You Yourself are lifetime itself,
> one lives through You.

Just skip those 1500 years. Oh...and the hundreds of thousands of years <i>before</I> Atenism was conjured up from the imagination. That leaves a total of about 1800 years in which Atenism was actually known to exist. What about the rest of history? Did nobody live from 400 CE to 1816?

Funny...I can think of huge nations and empires that came into being in that time... So much for only living through him, huh?

> 84 All eyes rest on beauty until You set.
> 85 All labor ceases when You rest in the west.

Tell that to the people working the nightshift at Microsoft customer service, or 7-11, or Ford. They'll be happy to know they're getting paid for nothing.

Sorry, Sebkhet. You've only shown that the writer of this document was detached from nature, and had no real understanding of the universe around him.

If you wish to assert that the ancient Egyptians knew more than this, you'll have to produce the evidence of same.

Anthony</HTML>

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Subject	Author	Posted
The End of Afrocentrism	Doug M	February 10, 2004 01:57AM
Re: The End of Afrocentrism	John Wall	February 10, 2004 04:24AM
Re: The End of Afrocentrism	Doug M	February 10, 2004 07:13AM
- Re: The End of Afrocentrism	DaveL	February 10, 2004 07:54AM
Re: The End of Afrocentrism	John Wall	February 10, 2004 08:06AM
- Re: The End of Afrocentrism	DaveL	February 10, 2004 08:46AM
Re: - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	John Wall	February 10, 2004 09:56AM
- Re: - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	DaveL	February 10, 2004 10:00AM
Re: - Re: - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	John Wall	February 10, 2004 10:12AM
- Re: - Re: - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	DaveL	February 10, 2004 11:14AM
Re: - Re: - Re: - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	John Wall	February 10, 2004 11:26AM
Umm John...	Cyn	February 10, 2004 11:30AM
Re: Umm John...	John Wall	February 10, 2004 11:36AM
Ugh...bad negativity.	Cyn	February 10, 2004 11:45AM
Math question	Warwick L Nixon	February 10, 2004 12:01PM
Re: Math question	Cyn	February 10, 2004 12:07PM
Re: The End of Afrocentrism	Doug M	February 10, 2004 08:47AM
Re: The End of Afrocentrism	Anthony	February 10, 2004 09:03AM
Re: The End of Afrocentrism	Doug M	February 10, 2004 07:45PM
Re: The End of Afrocentrism	John Wall	February 10, 2004 07:51PM
Re: The End of Afrocentrism	Doug M	February 10, 2004 08:32PM
Re: The End of Afrocentrism	John Wall	February 11, 2004 06:30AM
Re: The End of Afrocentrism	Makheru	February 10, 2004 09:22AM
Agreed.	Anthony	February 10, 2004 09:33AM
- Agreed.	DaveL	February 10, 2004 09:40AM
Ummm....	Anthony	February 10, 2004 09:44AM
- Ummm....	DaveL	February 10, 2004 09:56AM
Re: - Ummm....	Anthony	February 10, 2004 10:03AM
- Re: - Ummm....	DaveL	February 10, 2004 10:08AM
Re: Ummm....	John Wall	February 10, 2004 10:14AM
Re: Ummm....	Cyn	February 10, 2004 11:27AM
Re: Ummm....	John Wall	February 10, 2004 11:38AM
Re: Ummm....	Cyn	February 10, 2004 11:49AM
Re: Agreed.	Makheru	February 10, 2004 01:14PM
Re: Agreed.	Warwick L Nixon	February 10, 2004 01:21PM
Re: Agreed.	Makheru	February 10, 2004 01:35PM
Thank you	Warwick L Nixon	February 10, 2004 01:38PM
Hang on	Anthony	February 10, 2004 01:40PM
Re: Hang on	Makheru	February 10, 2004 01:56PM
Re: Hang on	Warwick L Nixon	February 10, 2004 02:04PM
Re: Hang on	Cyn	February 10, 2004 02:13PM
Re: Hang on	Warwick L Nixon	February 10, 2004 02:19PM
Re: Hang on	Cyn	February 10, 2004 02:22PM
Re: Hang on	Makheru	February 10, 2004 02:27PM
focus	Anthony	February 10, 2004 02:31PM
Re: focus	Makheru	February 10, 2004 02:36PM
what you mean is	Warwick L Nixon	February 10, 2004 02:39PM
Then why...	Anthony	February 10, 2004 02:59PM
Re: focus	Chopper	February 10, 2004 02:38PM
Re: focus	Warwick L Nixon	February 10, 2004 02:41PM
Re: focus	Chopper	February 10, 2004 02:43PM
- focus	Sebkhet	February 12, 2004 04:18AM
Re: - focus	Anthony	February 12, 2004 06:35AM
Re: - focus	Sebkhet	February 12, 2004 11:49AM
Moderation Note	Katherine Reece	February 12, 2004 12:05PM
Think Happy thoughts	Warwick L Nixon	February 12, 2004 12:19PM
Re: - focus	Doug M	February 12, 2004 01:47PM
Re: - focus	Anthony	February 12, 2004 06:07PM
Re: - focus	John Wall	February 12, 2004 06:10PM
Re: - focus	Anthony	February 12, 2004 09:32PM
Chemistry	Anthony	February 12, 2004 09:34PM
Xnemu Mehi	Sebkhet	February 13, 2004 02:53AM
No chemistry here...	Anthony	February 13, 2004 06:45AM
Re: Xnemu Mehi	Doug M	February 13, 2004 07:42AM
Endless arrogance...	Warwick L Nixon	February 15, 2004 11:09AM
Re: Chemistry	John Wall	February 13, 2004 04:34AM
Re: Chemistry	Anthony	February 13, 2004 06:41AM
Re: Chemistry	John Wall	February 13, 2004 07:23AM
- Re: - focus	Sebkhet	February 12, 2004 10:44PM
Re: - Re: - focus	Anthony	February 13, 2004 07:04AM
How substantive	Warwick L Nixon	February 15, 2004 11:03AM
- How substantive	Sebkhet	February 15, 2004 04:30PM
You humility overwhelms me...	Warwick L Nixon	February 16, 2004 01:47PM
Re: - focus	Anthony	February 12, 2004 06:27PM
- Re: - focus	bernard	February 12, 2004 09:26PM
Interesting....	Cyn	February 10, 2004 02:47PM
- Re: Hang on	bernard	February 10, 2004 02:49PM
Thank you, Bernard.	Cyn	February 10, 2004 02:53PM
Re: - Re: Hang on	Doug M	February 10, 2004 08:45PM
- Re: - Re: Hang on	bernard	February 10, 2004 11:15PM
Re: - Re: - Re: Hang on	Doug M	February 11, 2004 05:53AM
Re: - Re: Hang on	Cicely	February 10, 2004 11:34PM
Re: - Re: Hang on	Doug M	February 11, 2004 05:58AM
Re: - Re: Hang on	Cyn	February 11, 2004 06:11AM
Re: - Re: Hang on	Doug M	February 11, 2004 06:35AM
Re: - Re: Hang on	John Wall	February 11, 2004 06:41AM
Re: - Re: Hang on	Cyn	February 11, 2004 06:45AM
Re: - Re: Hang on	John Wall	February 11, 2004 06:53AM
Re: - Re: Hang on	Cyn	February 11, 2004 07:09AM
Re: - Re: Hang on	Duncan Craig	February 11, 2004 05:59PM
Re: - Re: Hang on	John Wall	February 11, 2004 06:11PM
Re: - Re: Hang on	Doug M	February 11, 2004 08:17PM
Re: - Re: Hang on	John Wall	February 11, 2004 08:21PM
Re: - Re: Hang on	Doug M	February 11, 2004 08:31PM
Re: - Re: Hang on	John Wall	February 11, 2004 08:40PM
Re: - Re: Hang on	Cyn	February 11, 2004 10:46PM
Re: - Re: Hang on	Doug M	February 12, 2004 12:51AM
- Re: - Re: Hang on	bernard	February 12, 2004 01:35AM
- Re: - Re: Hang on	bernard	February 11, 2004 09:27PM
Re: - Re: - Re: Hang on	Doug M	February 11, 2004 09:43PM
Re: - Re: - Re: Hang on	Cyn	February 11, 2004 10:10PM
Re: - Re: - Re: Hang on	Doug M	February 11, 2004 11:45PM
Re: - Re: - Re: Hang on	Stephen Tonkin	February 12, 2004 12:05AM
Re: - Re: - Re: Hang on	Doug M	February 12, 2004 01:06AM
Re: - Re: - Re: Hang on	Stephen Tonkin	February 12, 2004 02:04AM
Re: - Re: - Re: Hang on	Doug M	February 12, 2004 08:16AM
LOL	Anthony	February 12, 2004 08:26AM
Re: LOL	Doug M	February 13, 2004 08:44AM
No, it doesn't.	Anthony	February 13, 2004 09:09AM
Re: - Re: - Re: Hang on	Stephen Tonkin	February 12, 2004 04:29PM
Re: - Re: - Re: Hang on	John Wall	February 12, 2004 06:15AM
Re: - Re: - Re: Hang on	John Wall	February 12, 2004 04:45AM
Re: - Re: Hang on	Cicely	February 11, 2004 10:40AM
Re: - Re: Hang on	Cicely	February 11, 2004 10:44AM
Re: - Re: Hang on	Doug M	February 11, 2004 09:00PM
Re: - Re: Hang on	Anthony	February 11, 2004 09:03PM
- Re: - Re: Hang on	bernard	February 11, 2004 09:54PM
Re: - Re: - Re: Hang on	Doug M	February 11, 2004 10:16PM
- Re: - Re: - Re: Hang on	bernard	February 11, 2004 11:16PM
Re: - Re: - Re: - Re: Hang on	Doug M	February 12, 2004 12:14AM
- Re: - Re: - Re: - Re: Hang on	bernard	February 12, 2004 01:03AM
Re: - Re: - Re: - Re: - Re: Hang on	Doug M	February 12, 2004 01:54AM
Re: - Re: - Re: - Re: - Re: Hang on	John Wall	February 12, 2004 04:52AM
Re: - Re: - Re: - Re: - Re: Hang on	Anthony	February 12, 2004 06:38AM
Re: - Re: - Re: - Re: - Re: Hang on	John Wall	February 12, 2004 06:44AM
Re: - Re: - Re: - Re: - Re: Hang on	Anthony	February 12, 2004 06:49AM
Re: - Re: - Re: - Re: - Re: Hang on	John Wall	February 12, 2004 06:54AM
Re: - Re: - Re: - Re: - Re: Hang on	Doug M	February 12, 2004 01:29PM
Re: - Re: - Re: - Re: - Re: Hang on	John Wall	February 12, 2004 03:41PM
Re: - Re: - Re: - Re: - Re: Hang on	Doug M	February 13, 2004 08:14AM
Re: - Re: - Re: - Re: - Re: Hang on	John Wall	February 13, 2004 08:34AM
Re: - Re: - Re: - Re: - Re: Hang on	Doug M	February 13, 2004 09:05PM
Wrong...again.	Anthony	February 13, 2004 09:23PM
Re: Wrong...again.	Doug M	February 14, 2004 10:04AM
Re: Wrong...again.	Anthony	February 14, 2004 10:59AM
Re: Wrong...again.	Doug M	February 15, 2004 10:23AM
Re: Wrong...again.	Darkuser	February 15, 2004 03:24PM
Re: Wrong...again.	Sebkhet	February 15, 2004 05:07PM
Re: Wrong...again.	Doug M	February 16, 2004 08:04AM
Re: Wrong...again.	Anthony	February 16, 2004 08:16AM
- - Re: - Re: Hang on	Sebkhet	February 12, 2004 09:54PM
- - - Re: - Re: Hang on	bernard	February 12, 2004 10:17PM
Re: Agreed.	Anthony	February 10, 2004 01:33PM
Re: Agreed.	Makheru	February 10, 2004 01:48PM
Re: Agreed.	Warwick L Nixon	February 10, 2004 01:50PM
I never said such a thing	Anthony	February 11, 2004 06:23PM
- Re: The End of Afrocentrism	DaveL	February 10, 2004 09:36AM
Re: - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	Anthony	February 10, 2004 09:39AM
Re: - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	John Wall	February 10, 2004 10:15AM
- Re: - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	DaveL	February 10, 2004 10:21AM
Re: - Re: - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	John Wall	February 10, 2004 10:25AM
- Re: - Re: - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	DaveL	February 10, 2004 11:16AM
Re: - Re: - Re: - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	Cyn	February 10, 2004 11:24AM
- Re: - Re: - Re: - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	DaveL	February 10, 2004 11:34AM
Re: - Re: - Re: - Re: - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	Cyn	February 10, 2004 11:39AM
Re: - Re: - Re: - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	John Wall	February 10, 2004 11:29AM
- Re: - Re: - Re: - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	DaveL	February 10, 2004 11:37AM
Re: - Re: - Re: - Re: - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	John Wall	February 10, 2004 11:40AM
Question	Warwick L Nixon	February 10, 2004 12:04PM
Re: Question	DaveL	February 10, 2004 12:23PM
ROTFLMAO	Warwick L Nixon	February 10, 2004 12:31PM
Re: ROTFLMAO	DaveL	February 10, 2004 12:48PM
Re: ROTFLMAO	Warwick L Nixon	February 10, 2004 12:49PM
Re: Question	Cyn	February 10, 2004 12:31PM
Re: Question	Warwick L Nixon	February 10, 2004 12:33PM
Re: Question	John Wall	February 10, 2004 12:34PM
Re: Question	Cyn	February 10, 2004 12:36PM
Re: Question	Warwick L Nixon	February 10, 2004 12:38PM
Re: Question	John Wall	February 10, 2004 12:39PM
- Re: Question	DaveL	February 10, 2004 12:47PM
Re: Question	DaveL	February 10, 2004 12:49PM
Re: Question	John Wall	February 10, 2004 12:52PM
Re: Question	Warwick L Nixon	February 10, 2004 12:52PM
Re: Question	Cyn	February 10, 2004 12:53PM
I also agree.	Cyn	February 10, 2004 11:14AM
Re: I also agree.	Chopper	February 10, 2004 11:26AM
Re: I also agree.	Cyn	February 10, 2004 11:55AM
Re: I also agree.	Warwick L Nixon	February 10, 2004 12:00PM
Re: I also agree.	Chopper	February 10, 2004 12:03PM
Re: I also agree.	Warwick L Nixon	February 10, 2004 12:10PM
Re: I also agree.	Cyn	February 10, 2004 12:10PM
Re: I also agree.	Chopper	February 10, 2004 12:06PM
Re: The End of Afrocentrism	John Wall	February 10, 2004 10:02AM
Re: The End of Afrocentrism	Doug M	February 10, 2004 09:03PM
Re: The End of Afrocentrism	John Wall	February 11, 2004 04:54AM
- Re: The End of Afrocentrism	pete clarke	February 11, 2004 05:14AM
Re: - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	Cyn	February 11, 2004 05:26AM
- Re: - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	pete clarke	February 11, 2004 05:29AM
Re: - Re: - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	Cyn	February 11, 2004 05:52AM
Re: - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	Doug M	February 11, 2004 06:28AM
Re: - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	John Wall	February 11, 2004 06:39AM
- Re: - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	pete clarke	February 11, 2004 06:52AM
- Re: - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	pete clarke	February 11, 2004 06:54AM
Re: - Re: - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	Cyn	February 11, 2004 07:36AM
Again and again and again	Katherine Reece	February 11, 2004 04:25PM
Re: Again and again and again	Doug M	February 11, 2004 08:43PM
Re: Again and again and again	John Wall	February 11, 2004 08:48PM
Re: Again and again and again	Doug M	February 11, 2004 09:16PM
Re: Again and again and again	John Wall	February 12, 2004 04:54AM
- Re: Again and again and again	Sebkhet	February 12, 2004 02:45PM
- - Re: Again and again and again	bernard	February 12, 2004 09:40PM
- - - Re: Again and again and again	Sebkhet	February 13, 2004 04:51AM
Re: - - - Re: Again and again and again	bernard	February 13, 2004 06:57PM
Re: - - - Re: Again and again and again	Salsassin	April 28, 2004 03:51AM
Re: - - - Re: Again and again and again	Salsassin	April 29, 2004 04:40PM
- Re: Again and again and again	bernard	February 11, 2004 09:42PM
Re: - Re: Again and again and again	Doug M	February 11, 2004 10:26PM
No...........	Katherine Reece	February 11, 2004 09:56PM
Re: No...........	Doug M	February 12, 2004 01:37PM
Simply	Warwick L Nixon	February 12, 2004 01:39PM
Re: Again and again and again	Stephen Tonkin	February 11, 2004 11:03PM
- - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	bernard	February 11, 2004 04:14PM
Re: The End of Afrocentrism	Graham'O	February 11, 2004 03:04AM
Re: The End of Afrocentrism	John Wall	February 11, 2004 04:44AM
Re: The End of Afrocentrism	Cyn	February 11, 2004 04:51AM
Re: The End of Afrocentrism	Graham'O	February 11, 2004 06:49AM
Re: The End of Afrocentrism	John Wall	February 11, 2004 06:55AM
Re: The End of Afrocentrism	Cyn	February 11, 2004 08:14AM
Doug M	Joanne	February 10, 2004 10:37AM
Re: Doug M	Doug M	February 10, 2004 09:07PM
Re: Doug M	John Wall	February 11, 2004 04:42AM
Pigment of the imagination	Stephen Tonkin	February 11, 2004 02:33PM
Well...I'll...	Warwick L Nixon	February 11, 2004 02:51PM
Re: Doug M	Cyn	February 11, 2004 04:54AM
Re: Doug M	Joanne	February 11, 2004 11:37AM
Re: Doug M	Katherine Reece	February 11, 2004 11:49AM
Re: Doug M	Joanne	February 11, 2004 11:51AM
Re: The End of Afrocentrism	Ian	February 10, 2004 11:28AM
- Re: The End of Afrocentrism	Sebkhet	February 12, 2004 01:27AM
Re: - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	John Wall	February 12, 2004 04:57AM
- Re: - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	pete clarke	February 12, 2004 08:53AM
Re: - Re: - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	John Wall	February 12, 2004 09:10AM
Re: - Re: - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	pete clarke	February 12, 2004 09:23AM
Hi Doug....	Cyn	February 10, 2004 10:51AM
Geography	Warwick L Nixon	February 10, 2004 11:33AM
- Geography	DaveL	February 10, 2004 11:40AM
Re: - Geography	Warwick L Nixon	February 10, 2004 11:52AM
Re: Geography	Cyn	February 10, 2004 11:42AM
Re: Geography	Warwick L Nixon	February 10, 2004 11:46AM
Re: Geography	Cyn	February 10, 2004 12:03PM
Re: Geography	Warwick L Nixon	February 10, 2004 12:06PM
Re: Geography	Cicely	February 10, 2004 12:12PM
Re: Geography	Warwick L Nixon	February 10, 2004 12:20PM
Re: Geography	Cyn	February 10, 2004 12:20PM
Re: Geography	Warwick L Nixon	February 10, 2004 12:21PM
Re: Geography	Cyn	February 10, 2004 12:23PM
OK	Warwick L Nixon	February 10, 2004 12:34PM
Re: OK	Cyn	February 10, 2004 12:49PM
Re: OK	Warwick L Nixon	February 10, 2004 12:54PM
Re: OK	Cyn	February 10, 2004 12:58PM
could be worse	Warwick L Nixon	February 10, 2004 01:07PM
Re: could be worse	Chopper	February 10, 2004 01:57PM
Re: could be worse	Warwick L Nixon	February 10, 2004 02:07PM
Re: Hi Cyn...	Doug M	February 10, 2004 09:26PM
Hello? Dave?	Katherine Reece	February 10, 2004 11:32PM
Colour, AE and social constructs	Stephen Tonkin	February 11, 2004 01:35AM
Re: Hi Cyn...	Cyn	February 11, 2004 04:47AM
Re: Hi Cyn...	Doug M	February 11, 2004 08:05AM
Re: Hi Cyn...	John Wall	February 11, 2004 08:09AM
Re: Hi Cyn...	Doug M	February 11, 2004 08:22AM
Re: Hi Cyn...	John Wall	February 11, 2004 08:36AM
Re: Hi Cyn...	Doug M	February 12, 2004 01:38PM
Re: Hi Cyn...	John Wall	February 12, 2004 03:44PM
Re: Hi Cyn...	Cyn	February 11, 2004 08:54AM
Re: The End of Afrocentrism	Katherine Reece	February 10, 2004 11:38AM
- Re: The End of Afrocentrism	DaveL	February 10, 2004 11:42AM
Re: - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	Cyn	February 10, 2004 11:47AM
Re: - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	Warwick L Nixon	February 10, 2004 11:55AM
Re: - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	Katherine Reece	February 10, 2004 12:17PM
- Re: - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	DaveL	February 10, 2004 12:34PM
- - Re: - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	DaveL	February 10, 2004 12:43PM
Re: - Re: - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	Katherine Reece	February 10, 2004 12:53PM
- Re: - Re: - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	DaveL	February 10, 2004 12:59PM
Re: - Re: - Re: - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	John Wall	February 10, 2004 01:01PM
- Re: - Re: - Re: - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	DaveL	February 10, 2004 01:07PM
Re: - Re: - Re: - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	Cyn	February 10, 2004 01:07PM
- - Re: - Re: - Re: The End of Afrocentrism	bernard	February 10, 2004 01:28PM
note	Warwick L Nixon	February 10, 2004 01:30PM
Re: note	Chopper	February 10, 2004 01:37PM
Transcript to Lost City of the Pyramid Builders..	Cyn	February 10, 2004 01:03PM
Re: The End of Afrocentrism	Warwick L Nixon	February 10, 2004 11:44AM
Re: The End of Afrocentrism	Cicely	February 10, 2004 11:46AM
Re: The End of Afrocentrism	Chopper	February 10, 2004 11:48AM
Re: The End of Afrocentrism	Darkuser	February 11, 2004 01:14AM
Does it matter?	Stephen Tonkin	February 11, 2004 01:43AM
Re: Does it matter?	John Wall	February 11, 2004 06:12AM
Relevant Links	Salsassin	April 29, 2004 04:20PM
Re: Relevant Links	Salsassin	April 29, 2004 04:22PM
Re: Relevant Links	John Wall	April 29, 2004 04:29PM
Re: Relevant Links	Salsassin	April 29, 2004 08:17PM
Re: Relevant Links	Katherine Reece	April 29, 2004 10:07PM
Re: Relevant Links	Salsassin	April 29, 2004 10:11PM

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