May 23, 2024, 4:51 pm UTC |
In: The Hall of Maat > Ancient Egypt - Ancient Egyptian Discussions > Search - Ancient Egyptian Discussions |
Goto:  Forum List • Create A New Profile • Log In |
To the best of my knowledge there is no trace of the Atlantis legend in any Egyptian record. Nor would the Greeks have required indirect Egyptian transmission to learn about Minoan Crete which had been well known to their own ancestral Mycenaen culture.by Roxana Cooper - Ancient History
"On the other hand Professor Mick Aston found the theory that the story was influenced by Thera to be plausible..." That's exactly what I said. Plato may well have drawn on stories about 'lost' Thera, and that city in Anatolia and the rest when making up his Atlantis - much as JRR Tolkien drew on his knowledge of Northern European myth when he created Middle Eartby Roxana Cooper - Ancient History
Why do people refuse to believe that Atlantis is a fiction invented by Plato for his philosophical allegory of power against virtue. I mean nobody is arguing there was a an Athens nine thousand years ago are they? So why believe there was an Atlantis? Plato's fiction may well have been influenced by legends of actual 'lost countries' such as Thera but that is all. There waby Roxana Cooper - Ancient History
Thank you so much Bryan. I think 'noble beauty' sounds a more likely meaning for a royal name than 'noble and clean' don't you ;D I guess it's all in knowing where to look. Thanks again.by Roxana Cooper - Ancient History
Do we have any experts in old Saxon here who know what the word/root 'Flaed', (as in the name Ethelflaed) means? Oddly enough it doesn't seem to be in the usual dictionaries.by Roxana Cooper - Ancient History
How on earth did anybody get a hold of two Pharoah's coffins??? Which Pharoahs for heaven's sake? Still going on about the Rosetta Stone are they. I must admit I don't quite understand this obsession with a Ptolemaic inscription whose only real importance is it was the key to decoding hieroglyphs. Nowhere near as important as the pyramids if you ask me. Why don't theby Roxana Cooper - Ancient History
"After 500 - 800 AD almost nothing at all as Roman Empire declines into Christian Supression." False. 500-800 are the European Dark Ages - so called because of the scarcity of surviving records which was in turn due directly to the conflict caused by large scale immigration of Teutonic tribes into the former empire. If I recall correctly the Roman Empire officially ended sometby Roxana Cooper - Ancient History
Well to start with Jesus wasn't a priest, nor did he wander around the Middle East. His ministry was limited strictly to Judea according to the Gospel accounts. It was his later followers who spread the 'good news' all over the Roman empire. But of course if you automatically discount the evidence of the people most likely to record the existence of religious teacher, ie:by Roxana Cooper - Ancient History
*Sigh*. Of course there was an Aten in Egypt. The god Aten had existed as an aspect of the Sun for a very long time before Akhenaten decided he was 'God'. But the cases are not comparable. The stories about Jesus are stories of a living man in a recognizable historical context and the earliest of them was written within living memory of his purported lifetime. My parallel to Davy Crocby Roxana Cooper - Ancient History
It's kind of hard to stay off politics when the motive for the act is blatantly political.by Roxana Cooper - Ancient History
Like the scholarship of the Islamic world wasn't??? The Carolingian renaissance was followed by 12th century Scholasticism - based on the philosophical and scientific works of Aristotle - which in turn developed into the Renaissance. The view of medieval Europe as a 'Dark Age' of ignorance is an 18th c. Enlightenment myth invented by the philosophes to flatter their egoes and beby Roxana Cooper - Ancient History
I might add that these Afghan, Persian, Indian, et-al contributions singularly failed to create a similar renaissance in the East. It is in fact during the Renaissance that Europe begins to draw decisively ahead of the East technologically.by Roxana Cooper - Ancient History
Contributions certainly. I only object when they are given sole credit.by Roxana Cooper - Ancient History
I said *certain* books may have been preserved only by Arab scribes. *You* seem to be suggesting that the classical tradition was completely forgotten in the West which is not the case. Not to mention ignoring the persecution of Arab and Jewish scholars by Islamic authorities - but then most people do. It is fashionable to see the Medieval Church as anti-intellectual but not Islam.by Roxana Cooper - Ancient History
As far as I can tell nobody has ever seriously argued that the Easter Bunny is real - at least not to anybody over say twelve years old. The existence of Christians is attested to by Roman writers from the first century explain to me how there could be Christians without a Christ and we'll talk. Tell me, where do you stand on Mohammed's existence, or Buddha's or Zoroaby Roxana Cooper - Ancient History
How about because his audiences were made up of peasants and illiterate townsmen? How many man-in-the-street accounts do we have of *any* ancient person or event? The simple fact is Jesus, during his lifetime, was one of any number of religious teachers with a following in Judea and so of no particular note to his literate, and mostly Romanized, contemporaries. It should however be saidby Roxana Cooper - Ancient History
Why believe John the Baptist and Mary existed in the first place? Principle of parsimony; it's simpler to believe such individuals existed than that they were pure fiction. This same principle applies to King Arthur, Troy, etc.by Roxana Cooper - Ancient History
I'm sorry, Dave, but that is crap. The works of pagan classical writers were studied by Carolingian scholars, copied and preserved by Christian Monks, (along with some 'barbarian' mythology such as 'Beowulf'). Some lost works might indeed have been rediscovered in Moorish hands but the classical tradition had certainly not been forgotten in the West. And don'by Roxana Cooper - Ancient History
There is a rather big difference between a small clique of scholars sitting on their findings and the kind of massive academic conspiracy claimed by alternative 'scholars'.by Roxana Cooper - Ancient History
Very funny :-D No I think John the Baptist and Mary Mother of Jesus were two different people.by Roxana Cooper - Ancient History
I'm no expert in the Dead Sea Scrolls but as far as I can remember barring a few Old Testament verses almost identical to their modern counterparts most of the texts involve the beliefs of an apocalyptic Jewish sect, probably the Essenes, whose connection with early Christianity is tangential at best.by Roxana Cooper - Ancient History
I do feel decidedly itchy after reading this topic ;-Dby Roxana Cooper - Ancient History
It's not funny at all that this particular mythic archetype - or for that matter the archetype of a lost 'golden age' civilization - should be cross cultural as they reflect common Human fears and desires. Everybody's afraid of what might be lurking in the dark woods or wild places, conflicting with but not contradicting the common myth of primeaval perfection.by Roxana Cooper - Ancient History
I hesitated to mention the woodwoses since I wasn't quite sure whether they were authentic folklore or an invention of Professor Tolkien. Yes most of his creation is firmly based on established myth and folklore but Hobbits are original, (as far as I can tell) and I was afraid the Druedain, (who are the only woodwoses I can remember encountering in literature) may have been too.by Roxana Cooper - Ancient History
I am decidedly skeptical about 'Bigfoot' given the total lack of any kind of physical evidence after some forty odd years of looking. The American northwest is not that empty or remote it is *very* hard to believe that a population of large animals - even with Human-like intelligence - could have so thoroughly concealed themselves from the hunters, hikers, rockclimbers, Sasquatch seeby Roxana Cooper - Ancient History
"He stayed with the body of his friend until a "worm fell out of his nose". Ick. The 'wild men of the woods' of western tradition are flesh and blood Human beings - at least the ones I'm thinking of - and as far as I can recall are usually regular Humans gone mad for some reason, (Sir Lancelot, Merlin) than members of another species. Do werewolves count asby Roxana Cooper - Ancient History
The man seems to have travelled as much after he was dead as when he was alive! Doesn't he have living descendants? if so would comparison with their DNA help at all??by Roxana Cooper - Ancient History
"Actually these stories of 'wild men' go back to the very earliest writings, The Epic of Gilgamish recordes how Enkidu was living wild with animals and causing problems for local hunters by disabling their traps." And the 'wild man of the woods' figures in Western European myths as well. I think we may be dealing with some kind of mythic archetype here.by Roxana Cooper - Ancient History
Don't make fun of the mathematically impaired. ;-( And it doesn't help that the metric system is Greek to me. I meant 'centimeters' of course.by Roxana Cooper - Ancient History
Hmmmm.... There are a hundred centimeters in a meter right? so one hundred and seventy meters would be somewhere between five and six feet wouldn't it? In other words normal Human height not exactly a giant. Okay, maybe this Topilsky and his guerilla fighters couldn't bring back the whole body but how about pictures? Hair samples? Heck maybe cut off its head! At least theby Roxana Cooper - Ancient History