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Two maps to explain that alignment better:
The line 18° clockwise from East is pointing towards the direction where Sirius is rising at the horizon when it appears the first time every summer:
In comparison, the Great Pyramid is perfectly aligned towards true North (or also towards true East, West, South as it is square shaped on the foundation). Map with same scale:
The location whe
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Hermione Wrote:
> I don't know why Hathor should
> be a "hidden symbol" for Sirius.
Because her whole massive temple is aligned to that star. It's rotated by 18° from true North clockwise. That's not random if you see how precise for example the Great Pyramid was true North aligned.
For the Sirius/Hathor (Temple) discussion I have now created the following
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Hermione Wrote:
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> There has been a lot of discussion of Sirius
> (some of it quite impassioned at times) over the
> years on Ma'at -
Also about the Sirius / Hathor Temple relation? I'll look...
For now I have created the following new topic for the Sirius discussion in relation to the Hathor Temple:
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For Sirius in the context of the Dender Hathor Temple I've created this separate topic now.
The Hathor Temple foundation is based on Sirius. It's just that simple. That means the whole massive building is aligned to Sirius. That also means while we have all those giant Hathor face portraits on the outer columns and throughout the temple, it's scientific alignment was towards Sir
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Sure, nothing directly points to Sirius which would be visible to the normal visitor.
Imagine the emperor of the largest country on Earth, just coming back from an Egypt trip having met the queen of the country with the largest buildings on Earth and then discovering that his buildings while not insignificant are not nothing against the pyramids. Combined what he learned at Dendera, why not re
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Yes, the resting cow in a barque with a five pointed star between her horns is shown in the rectangular zodiac in front of Sothis. There we have three Sirius-symbols together
How about saying with this, that Hathor herself, at least at this very temple, is a hidden symbol for Sirius?
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One additional detail why the Wabet room is the New Year room and with could be said to be the Sirius room:
That symbol of the sun rays shining on the Hathor head is according to some interpretations the symbol of light shining on the first day of the year onto Hathor.
And the Hathor head in the square itself is a symbol for the Hathor temple itself.
If they had some observation mirror rai
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Yes, same image. But on the nypl.org page you can also click on the "original size" icon link below the image to get it in full resolution. The zoom click doesn't really work.
Or in color and how it looks today, though some parts may be missing:
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> Can you point out the places where Sirius is being shown prominently in this temple (or any other temple)?
One of the most important rooms in the temple is the Wabet (other names: purification chapel, Uadet):
It is special due to:
* only room with separate patio room in front
* only room with open sky window in the ceiling (in the patio room)
* only room which is raised from the f
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To avoid confusion for other readers about the term Zodiac as it is usually associated with the famous circular zodiac of the Hator Temple Dendera in the Louvre: That circular zodiac is from a small penthouse room on top of the temple roof. The zodiac I'm talking about here is the rectangular zodiac in the entry hall (Hypostyle) where it is split in two parts on the furthest right and furthe
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Alternative: The Julian Calendar was just a copy of the calendar encoded into the analog computer of Antikythera, if that machine originated really from that time and not from the 16th century when similar machines were build in Europe:
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But Caesar's son is drawn, next to his mother Cleopatra, as huge relief on the Hathor Temple backside:
(4th image from the left)
I think that Caesar took the importance of Sirius he saw in the Hathor Temple back home and used it on his own calendar. And to point out the importance, he started his calendar's year with Sirius.
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Good to know the name of the scarab-crab now! I see one of the alternative name writings, Khephir, sounds like German "Käfer" (beetle, used for the insect and also for the car).
Maybe Khepri was just one of the avatars of Cancer, similar to the many visual avatars some Egyptian gods had.
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I was always wondering what defined the first day in the year in the Gregorian calendar. Then when hearing about this Sirius correlation looked up details about the previous calendar, Julian, and that also started the year with January 1, not with March as sometimes is said and assumed due to names like September and October (7, 8). So the chance is high that the Julian calendar was already fixed
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In the German forum we found only one small note about observation of a celestial bright temporary star event, but there it wasnt even sure if a tail was seen.
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Byrd, Hermione:
Sure, that scarab-crab figure is strange. Looks like the ancient artist was undecided. But it definitely represents the constellation of cancer as it follows sequentially the depicted zodiac constellations after Taurus and Gemini in the ceiling relief shown before and then in the 2nd similar size and shaped ceiling relief next to it (not shown yet before), the scarab-crab precede
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I know only the very basics of the ancient Egpytian "stars" (or deities), thanks for clarifying this.
I see Harsomtus as Horus avatar is sometimes depicted with a twin horn:
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I missed to point out the detail photo of the rectangular Zodiac in the Hypostyle I was referring to. It's on this page:
In that German forum, Michael translated the flower-snake's small othe
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Thanks! Makes sense to check within the big names regarding the Mist of Times first. First search hit for Sirius in that book reveals already something quite interesting as it looks like referring to the midnight culmination:
Palamedes was the first to layout the watches of the night, during the Trojan War. And Euripides bears witness, in the "Iphigenia in Aulis", that in
that perio
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About the "flower snake" detail: I used the words to describe the image itself, what's visible there without interpretation. You can see it on this photo, directly right next to the sun disc:
The same flower snake symbol was used in the crypts below the temple. Photo:
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Nice coincidence with the posting! Here a burning bush in the Dendera Hathor Temple in my today’s posting:
There, twin bushes are drawn at the Wabet room ceiling and in my interpretation they are plasma discharges. The classic interpretation there is the unique Isched Tree. Notice how that tree is shown without leaves in Dendera and twigs more like fire or plasma than a classic bush / tree.
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Sirius was not only important in ancient Egypt, where its heliacal rise in summer defined the new year, also today it plays an unofficial pivotal role for the calendar with its yearly midnight culmination happening at the new year's beginning since about 1901.
That's true regarding solar time at any location in the northern hemisphere. Solar time and local time differ by a few second
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At a conference in Tucson AZ I recently presented a poster showing a curious detail of the two Nut ceiling reliefs of the Dendera Hathor Temple. A focused stream with the sun at one end and a Hathor head flooded by the stream was depicted by the ancient artist. I think the classic interpretation would be sun rays, though I couldn’t find any written interpretation about this in classic literature
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The blocks are that large as they have been poured in situ. That means the blocks below and beneath create the mould and you only need mostly 2 other walls for a complete mould. That was shown in Davidovit's video. The blocks weren't meant to be moved after pouring.
The 2nd largest building project - measured in stone mass - mankind did after the Great Pyramid was the Hoover Dam (Bou
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