> Allan Shumaker Wrote:
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> Charlie,
> Look at the photos on page 751. I would not
> consider that a 'low vault'.
Typical “Paleoamerican features” are visible in the lateral and anterior views on page 751: “…Cranial and dental characteristics are comparable to those of other, less complete pre–10-ka Paleoamerican
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Allan Shumaker Wrote:
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> There are some questions that need answers. They
> managed to recover mtDNA but there was not enough
> bone collagen for a 14C date. The individual was a
> teenage girl, presumably from a hunter/gatherer
> group, but she had dental cavities. That is
> something most often found in early agricu
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Lots of interesting images:
EVIDENCE FOR OLDER-THAN-CLOVIS AT THE GAULT SITE, TEXAS By Mike Collins
Defining Older-than-Clovis at the Gault Site through the Statistical Analysis of the Lithic Debitage Mean Averages of Flake Measurements by Jennifer Gandy
Geologic Context of the Older-than-Clovis Archaeological Material in Area 15 at the Gault Site by Anastasia Gilmer and Charles Frederic
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Charlie Hatchett Wrote:
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> Use wear analyses of artifacts, dated to 50,000
> B.P., from Pedra Furada:
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> Pedra Furada: a revision
>
> Niede Guidon, Summary
>
> "The main purpose of the article is to publish the
> photos made in the laboratory of the T
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Bluefish Caves and Old Crow Basin: A New Rapport
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Use wear analyses of artifacts, dated to 50,000 B.P., from Pedra Furada:
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Pedra Furada: a revision
Niede Guidon, Summary
"The main purpose of the article is to publish the photos made in the laboratory of the Texas A & M University, of the oldest líticas parts of the Pedra Furada, with a dating TL of 50.000 years, with the commentaries from the Pro
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Khazar-khum Wrote:
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> The ice sheet didn't form overnight; they had
> years without it being any kind of obstacle.
Right.
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Allan Shumaker Wrote:
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> I am willing to accept that the founding
> haplogroups were isolated from their Asian
> relatives but that isolation could have ocurred
> south of the ice as opposed to Berigia.
I agree.
A physical isolation created by massive ice sheets.
However, MA-1 has nothing to do with northeast or east
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Out of Beringia?
A shrub tundra refugium on the Bering land bridge may have played a pivotal role in the peopling of the Americas
"...Based on the distribution of tundra plants around the Bering Strait region..."
Really? That's it?
"...Genetic evidence suggests that most Native Americans are descended from a population that was isolated somewhere between northe
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Allan Shumaker Wrote:
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> "Perhaps this is Adovasio's grand finale..."
> ???
> Looked him up on the internet and he is 70 years
> old. I talked to him at Santa Fe and he is in good
> health so I suspect he has many more years of
> digging left.
>
As ripe as I suspect this site is, it should tak
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Allan Shumaker Wrote:
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> >
> Back in 1915 human remains associated with extinct
> Pleistocene fauna were discovered at Vero Beach,
> Florida. Of course at that time Ales Hrdlicka of
> the Smithsonian was firmly convinced that humans
> had only been in the Americas for about 4000
> years. The discovery became m
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Rick Baudé Wrote:
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> And another nail in the coffin of the "clovis
> first" brigade, as if it needed anymore.
It’s amazing how some of these tenured arch’s took the ball and ran the wrong way with it.
For example, the title:
“The genome of a Late Pleistocene human from a Clovis burial site in western Montana,”
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The genome of a Late Pleistocene human from a Clovis burial site in western Montana
M. Rasmussen et al. “The genome of a Late Pleistocene human from a Clovis burial site in western Montana,” Nature, doi:10.1038/nature13025, 2014.
Clovis, with its distinctive biface, blade and osseous technologies, is the oldest widespread archaeological complex defined in North America, dating from 11,100 t
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Rick Baudé Wrote:
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> Only time and DNA tests will tell the tale.
Yes sir.
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Rick Baudé Wrote:
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> True, which could only have come about through
> evolution.
To each his own...
> I note that when I click on the
> evolutionary tree that the Australopithecines are
> referred to as early humans. But seeing as how
> we're definitely a hybrid species already I think
> it will be jus
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Gotcha. I too would like to hear some more details of the pre-clovis stuff from the southwest museum.
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Rick Baudé Wrote:
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> Why not? In my anthro. class that I just completed
> Australopithecus was part of our line or a
> collateral branch. . On top of that we've got
> massive amounts of chimp and bonobo DNA in us.
More accurately: we share common sequences of base pairs-
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> Actually this is a strong enough statistical event
> to at least be a well documented minority
> outcome,
>
> Items in museum storage for years to decades are
> reinterpreted in a way that was overlooked before.
> iirc wasn't there a full collection of pre-Clovis
> tools found in a museu
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Cognito Wrote:
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> Charlie Hatchett Wrote:
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> >
> > Any idea of which specimens will be
> utilized?
> >
>
> There were somewhere over 10,000 lithics collected
> from the dig pits over many decades. The process
> of de-accessioning the "junk" was begun a few
> years back and
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Rick Baudé Wrote:
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> I wonder whether they'll be able to drill far
> enough back in the DNA record to find any
> australopithecine DNA?
Since we didn't descend from Australopithecus I don't think so.
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> Charlie Hatchett Wrote:
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> >
> > > The current site archaeologist, Dee
> > > Schroth, has been segregating heat-treated lithics
> > > recovered from the digs pits for eventual TL
> > > analysis. Th
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Cognito Wrote:
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> Charlie Hatchett Wrote:
> > and directly dated Calico artifact (ca. 200,000
> > years), all dated via U-Th and ignored by American
> > archeologists.
> >
> Hi Charlie,
>
> The primary complaint with Calico stems from the
> site's geology ... it is possible that the
&
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Some images from Skeletal Remains Suggesting or Attributed to Early Man in North America- Ales Hrdlicka
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Cognito Wrote:
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> > Well the Smithsonian was specifically exempted
> > from NAGPRA.
> >
> > IIRC, Hurdlicka(1907) commented on 2 skulls found
> > near Trenton, NJ. that had very low vaults. He
> > later
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Cognito Wrote:
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> Charlie Hatchett Wrote:
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> > Allan Shumaker Wrote:
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> > > Rick,
> > > What makes pre H. sapiens in theAmericas so
> > > contr
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Rick Baudé Wrote:
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> Of course this raises the provocative question of
> how many times did some hominid species make it to
> the new world only to go into extinction like so
> many other mammals before him? Frankly, what's so
> amazing or controversial about it? After all man
> made it to australia about 50KYA,
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Allan Shumaker Wrote:
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> Rick,
> What makes pre H. sapiens in the Americas so
> controversial is the lack of any skeletal
> evidence.
There are, as you know Allan, the Chapala superciliary arch (Jalisco, Mexico), Zacoalco maxilla fragment (Jalisco, Mexico), Ostrander skull (Valsequillo) and Dorenberg skull (Valsequillo):
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Rick Baudé Wrote:
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> Incredible the amount of information that is being
> recovered from ancient DNA. Thanks a lot Charlie.
This part particularly interests me:
"...Denisovans interbred with a mysterious fourth group of early humans also living in Eurasia at the time. That group had split from the others more than a mill
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Rick Baudé Wrote:
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> I'm a little confused here Charlie, since you're
> one of the few people on the board that know
> something about ' pre-clovis are they saying that
> the results are inconclusive about whether it's a
> hominid or that it leans toward a hominid origin?
This statement in the paper
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