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Byrd Wrote:
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> I think you may be trying to view the ancient
> Egyptians through the eyes of moderns.
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> Bob Wrote:
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> > [ one might well ask what the 50 yr old
> Hatshepsut
> > was doing in the same tomb as her wet-nurse,
> but
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Bob
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Is there no end to the brilliance.., the insight.., the deductive powers of that 'post ancient egyptian' entrepreneur Zahi Hawass.
Once again he has breathed new life into that almost past 'use-by-date science of egyptology.
Zahi.., has- after years of patient research aided by cutting edge scientific technology- finally identified the mummy of that mysterious and imposing fe
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Bob
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> The question indeed is if these sites really
> indicate permanent settlements, because that is
> what one may expect from a settlement, namely that
> it is permanent.
> Ronald.
The citizens who supposedly settled here were nomads- supposedly out of africa;
Being essentially- supposed nomads- it is unlikely that they would settle in one location for any length of time
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Bob
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Garrett Fagan Wrote:
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>Hi Garrett,
In lieu of any other response to your post- which has been sitting here quietly in quarantine like a victim of the leprosy virus- I posit a feeble rationale as to why the 'scientific method' may not ever acquire a universal acceptance.
you quote:
> p. 282: "I am, after a
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Bob
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Anthony Wrote:
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> Once again, it is not up to the critics to prove
> something did not happen (a logical impossibility)
> but up to you, as the theory's proponent, to prove
> it did.
In any area of speculation such as AE 'intentions' in regard to the Giza plateau- where the only facts are the physical existen
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Bob
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Hi Don,
There are three possibilities of why the pyramids are where they are:
1: they are where they are because the terrain dictated certain preferable locations.
2: they are where they are because they were intended to be aligned to some similar configuration either celestial or terrestial.
3: they are where the are because they are simply.... where they are.
By drawing intermina
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Katherine Reece Wrote:
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> Of course it's not .... but I assure you your idea
> as it stands now will never be accepted because
> you are ignoring something vital ... the ancient
> Egyptians themselves and what they believed.
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With due respect.., I don't think anyone of our time can accurately presume to kno
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Bob
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>...what is wrong with that....<
to my mind Criegs..., absolutely nothing.
I am not equipped to evaluate the veracity of your concepts in this area of expertise.., but I would like to say that from my perspective you have conducted yourself impeccably in presenting your material in this format..., and even more admirable in retaining your composure in the face of what I can only call
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Bob
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I can assure you there was no note of contempt intended here Joe..., but there may have been just a hint of bemusement.
cheers,
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Bob
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Joe Schiller Wrote:
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> I disagree. One cannot come to any objective
> conclusion but my subjective impression of Jews
> compared to Gentiles is that the Jews are
> generally smarter and I attribute it to twice as
> long exposure to their religion.
Well this is right out of left-field, Joe:
You're equating wisdom
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Bob
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Ancient History
Great Project Dave; beautifully concieved and executed; I wish you all the best with it.
best,
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Bob
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>...no, your mistake is that evolution is not an impulse it is a mechanism...<
First and foremost.., evolution is an 'impulse'- the mechanism is merely the means by which it effects change.
The big question is whether the impulse is directed, whether it has an objective- a subtle distinction here.., or whether it is without motivation of any kind. These three possibilities s
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Bob
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I did not say that random change cannot increase complexity;
and I have no theological affiliations of any kind.
good luck with the smoking.
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Bob
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Sorry I don't offhand Wayne, but if yoo google "dawkins information challenge" you should pick up the arguments- I saw a segment of the actual Australian TV program which initiated the challenge but it was some time ago. If I can track down more info I will pass it on.
cheers,
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I should say that this was not intended as a 'bash dawkins' thread.
If I was going to do that I would simply issue him with 'The information Challenge'
[ to give an example of a genetic mutation or evolutionary process that can increase the 'information' in the genome ]
You can find this debate online and one can only feel sorry for his desperation as he disso
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Bob
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>...impressions and related ideas don't really amount to a logical argument....<
Thanks Dave. Tell you what..., I'll try and make it really simple.
If evolution is the great architect.., the guiding hand that has shaped all life into myriad ever more complex life-forms up until the emergence of homo-sapiens..., why is it that it departed the scene, shut down shop about the t
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Bob
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Ancient History
...Was driving through this vast desert scanning radio channels when who should come in loud and clear in his bleating falsetto but Richard Dawkins, lecturing to an american college campus; his topic was his new book: 'The God Delusion'.
He was brilliant...; erudite, articulate, witty[ even mildly amusing ],and with a great gift for language. He absolutely demolished God.., left him
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Bob
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>,..ah the goddess.., let's be realistic...<
Okay...,If we are going to be realistic..., the first thing we would have to acknowlege is that the very first human attribute to any deity would have to be an awareness that the earth "Gaia"- or the equivalent nomenclature in other earlier cultures- is the basic source and benefactress of our mutual sustenance; this before any
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Bob
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,,,even more Ken:
,,if this analysis is correct[ and I don't believe it is for one solitary second ] it would make Leonardo a "left-handed, finger-paintin', gay.., arab, feminist...";
I mean if you look deep into the eyes of Mrs Lisa.., she's saying "I don't want a bar of this domestic mummy stuff";
same with the "lady in the ermine"; she
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Bob
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Don,
It is unlikely that we will ever know absolutely what constructional methods were used by the AE's..., but it seems pretty certain they knew how to find 'true north'.., and there is some hefty evidence to suggest that they had a take on 'ninety degrees'(
best
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Bob
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I haven't followed the discussion here yet as Don.., but in answer to your query:
Once you've established 'true east'- by the process you mentioned- all you would have to do to establish north is.., extend the line between true east and your point of reference behind you to the same distance. Then by drawing a circle around your point of reference- the old string on a peg
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Bob
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Being a pyramid...,, if it pointed 'true north'..., it must also have simultaneously pointed true south, east and west; no??
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Bob
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Given that they had a boat of this draught Ants..., wouldn't they also need a plumbob to navigate it over those tricky shifting Nile shoals??
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Bob
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>...[ within reason of course]...<
but Rick..., we're not dealing with such a transitory and ephemeral trait as 'reason' here;
we're dealing with absolute 'PRECISION'.
cheers,
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Or they just could have had a couple of very long 'spirit levels'(?
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Bob
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Water has long been my preference.
As you say it would be subject to evaporation..., but theoretically the rate of evaporation would be equal all over the plateau.
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Bob
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Well most probably Joanne;
As I suggested the egyptians were almost certainly aware of the ratio. But I still think it was initially arrived at through trial and error models- not unlike the construction of the pyramids perhaps.
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Bob
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Hi Jammer,
I believe I introduced the golden ratio on the previous thread.
It was certainly not my understanding that it was only consciously arrived at in mediaeval times. While it was used as a device in that and later periods I believe the recognition of the ratio as a proportion that was very pleasing to the eye, goes back much further- certainly to greece and almost certainly to egypt
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Bob
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Dave,
You seem to be assuming that any 'intentionally' designed edifice or object is intrinsicaly superior to a random or unplanned edifice. This is a fallacy.
Most contemporary architecture is intentionally-even overintentionally- designed.., and much of it- especially that which postures under the quaint artifice called post-modernism is demonstrably inferior in function and aesth
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Bob
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One curious thing here is the depictions of the 'tasmanian tiger[ Thylacine ], if such they were. There is some evidence to suggest that the tiger existed on the australian mainland but the hike from North west WA. to tasmania is a considerable hike.
And While the tigers were finally extinguished in tasmania- largely by european settlers- there is no clear explanation of why they would ha
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