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<HTML>Joe_S wrote:
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> I don't know if the Kensington stone is genuine or not.
> There are some pretty strong arguments on either side, from
> what I can tell. What I do know is neither side has been
> able to resolve the issue beyond question.
When you select your evidence, it is usually easy to find something to support your case... even when you're wrong.
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Anthony
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<HTML>i do wish pranksters would at least reveal it in their wills, rather than just dying and leaving it open, and causing so much obfuscation.
It's just not cricket!
Guess if it was for financial gain (fake artifacts) they don't wish to smear their families or leave their estates open to compensation claims.
Does anyone know about an old and badly weathered rock carving in am
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Casual Reader
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<HTML>As Dar says, we know the Norse reached North America, the questions are where did they visit and when. Most of the recent discussion in the last couple of years has been about the geological arguments (weathering and root marks on the stone). What the Larsson stuff seems to show is that there was the knowledge at the time of the runes used on the stone, something that has been in q
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Doug Weller
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<HTML>The Kesington runstone has never been accepted as authentic by orthodox scholars, and it has never been paramount in the proving of Viking occupation of the New world. However, there is concrete evidence of such occupation and i don't think the authenticity of runestone should be intertwined with this fact. It is my opinion that current evidence we have - namely the setllements a
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darkuser
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<HTML>The Kensington Runestone has to have been one of the longest
running and voluminous arguments / discussions that I have seen
happen on the Usenet in terms of archaeology. This discussion
went on so long and generated so many posts, that one person
suggested, half seriously, that sci.archeology be renamed
sci.kensingston.runestone. For some reason, this topic created
a very polar
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Paul H
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<a href=" may prove ancient runestone fake</a></HTML>
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Katherine Reece
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<HTML>Katherine Reece wrote:
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> No one's mentioned this so now I'm even more confused
> and I'll admit to little knowledge regarding Vikings having
> never read any books on them...
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> In the article it says "Since the Vikings were unable to
> write [...]" huh? ...... What are Runes then?
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It's my understanding that runic
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kenuchelover
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<HTML>I've looked for what's online which is not too much. Another description of the film gives the earlier date.
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I found two links that mention mummies founf in the Hebrides, but I'm not sure this is what I was thinking of.
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I also found one with links to Kennewick Man, the circumpolar culture, etc. <a href=&quo
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Joanne
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<HTML>I think Heavener knows when it has a good thing; without even looking, I've spotted a couple of Heavener Runestone t-shirts. Granted, Missouri and Oklahoma are parked more or less diagonally from each other, the distance is a reasonable daytrip, and Springfield is a fair-sized city, but....</HTML>
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Cicely
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<HTML>Don Barone wrote:
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> Hi doug ...
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> From the website you provided ...
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> <i> ... Her work started as a casual investigation into a
> local curiosity. <b><u>This investigation turned into a
> fifteen year quest which ended in the recognition of the
> Heavener Runestone as the work of ancient Viking
> travelers</u></b> an
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Doug Weller
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<HTML>Hi doug ...
From the website you provided ...
<i> ... Her work started as a casual investigation into a local curiosity. <b><u>This investigation turned into a fifteen year quest which ended in the recognition of the Heavener Runestone as the work of ancient Viking travelers</u></b> and its protection within a state park. Evidence of other visitors also
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Don Barone
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<HTML>I'm not at all impressed by Gloria Farley, who I understand thinks that the only good Indian is a Christian Indian and who destroyed a lot of potential evidence through bad methods. You can read some of her stuff <a href="; Some people of course hold her in very high regard.
I do know however that there was an attempt to test the age of the Heavener 'runestone
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Doug Weller
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<HTML>Hi All:
While searching for some information on La Salle {the explorer who 'discovered' the park in my fair city which bares his name (LaSalle Park) Burlington Stone' </a>), est. 1669] } I chanced to come upon The Heavener Runestone which some speculate was a marker for his grave after mutineers murdered him. Here is a picture of the stone:
<img src="[
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Don Barone
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<HTML>Hi All:
While searching for some information on La Salle {the explorer who 'discovered' the park in my fair city which bares his name (LaSalle Park) Burlington Stone' </a>), est. 1669] } I chanced to come upon The Heavener Runestone which some speculate was a marker for his grave after mutineers murdered him. Here is a picture of the stone:
<img src="[
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Don Barone
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<HTML>>You haven't heard me claiming the Vikings were rumaging around Oklahoma.
I beg your pardon, that's somebody else's hobbyhorse.
>I have a little skepticism about things like the runestone etc.
Just a little?
>That is based on the NUMBER of claims. Even if 1/4 of Fell's and other claims were correct this continent was a regular playpen for all kin
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Roxana Cooper
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<HTML>You haven't heard me claiming the Vikings were rumaging around Oklahoma.
I have a little skepticism about things like the runestone etc.
That is based on the NUMBER of claims. Even if 1/4 of Fell's and other claims were correct this continent was a regular playpen for all kinds of people. It's a lot like UFO claims. A copul;e of good solid ones through the centurie
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Donald Raab
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<HTML>kenuchelover wrote:
> Actually, the Kensington Runestone doesn't specifically say
> there was any massacre at all, let alone one by Skraelings.
> It speaks of the carvers having returned from fishing to find
> 10 of their compatriots "red with blood" & dead, with this
> taking place 1 day north of the runestone's location.
Oops, sorry, gue
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Roxana Cooper
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<HTML>Roxana Cooper wrote:
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> The stone purports to tell the tale of a massacre of
> exploring Vikings by 'Skraelings'. So why is there no
> corroborating evidence? Surely the stone was erected at or
> near the site of the tragedy, so why no remains of the Viking
> camp? Why no graves of the victims??
>
> Why do we keep finding runestones but nothi
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kenuchelover
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<HTML>Roxana,
You are really hard to satisfy!
You said "Let's just that your case would be a lot more convincing if at least one runestone had been discovered by say a Vietnamese-American in South Carolina."
I couldn't find any reference to one runestone found in South Carolina by a Vietnamese American so I linked to 5 runestones found in Oklahoma. Sorry that the lin
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AWSX
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<HTML> Let's just that your case would be a lot more convincing if at least one runestone had been discovered by say a Vietnamese-American in South Carolina.</HTML>
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Roxana Cooper
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<HTML>(Note: These comments are in response to <a href="article.php?sid=74">Goodbye Columbus? The Pseudohistory of Who Discovered America</a>).<br><br>Just a thought that may start a discussion since the article in Sceptic dated 1994 and this is from 2001. Have Fun! Stu
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Stu
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A new book review has been added to our Books section:<br><br>
<a href="reviews.php?op=showcontent&id=79"><b>Ancient Man: A Handbook of Puzzling Artifacts</b></a><br><br><a href="; <img src="images/reviews/ancientman.gif" border = 0></a><br><br>
This one of many books published by "The
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Paul Heinrich
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<HTML>Anthony wrote:
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> Judging by one of his academic reviewers, he falls into
> the "somewhat useful amateur expert" category.
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> That was my take, anyway.
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> Anthony
That seems to be the general consensus. He is taken seriously (which doesn't mean his ideas are accepted) by several academics in the field.
Doug</HTML>
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Doug Weller
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<HTML>Judging by one of his academic reviewers, he falls into the "somewhat useful amateur expert" category.
That was my take, anyway.
Anthony</HTML>
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Anthony
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<HTML>"Nielsen, an engineer from Texas, has studied the linguistics of the stone for nearly 17 years. "
Just out of curiosity, other than time spent in this pursuit, what makes this engineer a "linguistics expert"? (Yes, there *are* excellent, dedicated amateurs out there: there are also inept, dedicated amateurs as well. I'm merely curious as to which category th
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Sally_Stanton
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<HTML>I wouldn't want to bet either way right now.
However, it might help to see this comment by Professor Henrik Williams,
Professor in Nordic Languages, Uppsala University:
One of the problems that I tried to stress in my talk at Thousand Oaks was
the deep chasm between the believers and the non-believers in the
Kensington runestone (KRS). Richard Nielsen is basically a member of
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Doug Weller
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<HTML>I've always thought that it was harder to explain-away the Kensington stone as a forgery than as being authentic. This just adds to the considerable weight of evidence being in favour of its' authenticity.
Joe.</HTML>
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Joe_S
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<a href=" expert says he’s solved Runestone mystery</a></HTML>
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Katherine Reece
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<HTML>Hi Don,
Do not put words in my mouth!! When did <i><b>I</b></i> <i>ever</i> say that Maine <b>was/is</b> inhabitable?? Of course, it could be worse... it could be Canada.... (ducking and running from Canadians)
Here are some sites:
film shown on PBS for sale here; I own this film, it's good
other good links:
They have
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Joanne Conman
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<HTML><a href=" on boulder made by pranksters studying Scandinavian runes at University</a></HTML>
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Katherine Reece
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