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bernard Wrote:
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> Roxana Cooper Wrote:
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> > Your point being?
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> That creationists, along with post-modernists,
> New-Agers etc. spend a lot of effort in
> denigrating science and scientists using a lot of
> the same tactics (quote mining, c
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Rick Baudé
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Roxana Cooper Wrote:
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> Your point being?
That creationists, along with post-modernists, New-Agers etc. spend a lot of effort in denigrating science and scientists using a lot of the same tactics (quote mining, claiming a conspiracy of scientists who are keeping their claims from being heard, etc. etc.). Thus, anything that makes peo
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bernard
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Then Again...
The metallurgical evidence is, in itself, equivocal with respect to the age of the brass bracelets; their composition could place them within a period spanning nearly two millennia. Specimens similar (albeit not necessarily identical) to the Bat Creek bracelets are we! 1-documented from eighteenth century sites in North America. Importantly, no documentation regarding the product
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Sam
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Ancient History
True,
but then again so is most of what we think of as a traditional Nativity.
The Holy Grail stories are fascinating and intensely medievel - but, again, it's so much easier to have modern conspiracy fantasies than for people to study the real thing (after all, early medievel literature is so HARD!).
Pete
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Pete Clarke
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Ancient History
Ahh yes, Minnesota...
Not quite as damp as Michigan peninsula, but makes up for it by being 10 degrees colder...
Visit Minnesota in January, and you won't wear your warmest clothing, you'll wear ALL your clothing!
Try out your manual dexterity with three pairs of mittens on.
As a local told me; "Its not just cold enough to stuff wadded newspaper into your clothing, its c
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Jammer
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Ancient History
Scandanavian finds it? OK, they were settling the area, so yeah they'd be likeliest to find something. No other finds? Trickier, especially if it were just a camp or small site. Some traces are notoriously hard to recognise, and plowing is well-known for disrupting sites.
Templars? There weren't that many, and they were mostly in the Mediterranean, so that's a little out there.
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Khazar-khum
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Ancient History
One of the surest signs of pseudo-history I know is the tendency to drag in everything
but the kitchen sink to 'prove' their theory.
Frankly I'd be a lot more open minded about this if the Holy Grail and Templars were left out and it wasn't as far inland as Minosota for God's sake!
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Roxana Cooper
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Ancient History
What I was told is that this 'copy of the Holy Grail:
> "[...] It's a round brownish stone with a small 'hole' in the middle
> where a the cross of the Teutonic Order i carved in the bottom of
> the small hole.
> The hole aren't larger than you can fill it with Holy water, which only
> were accepted if it was water from Jordan River. The monk pu
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Doug Weller
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Ancient History
Oh. God. And how did the poor Franciscans get mixed up in this nonsense - or are there some other Grey Friars?
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Roxana Cooper
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Ancient History
I am assured that the Templars/Grey Friars took a copy of the Grail to North America and that it still exists, I think somewhere I have a photo of it. There really is such a claim.
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Doug Weller
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Ancient History
Maybe so. But one thing is certain; the Holy Grail is purely an invention of later pious fantasy with no scriptural basis - and certainly no historical one!
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Roxana Cooper
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Ancient History
Not so sure that it's JUST the cauldron - the Holy Grail of later legend and romance (and as such the one that Templar conspiracy nuts latch onto) seems to me to be actually a purely Christian invention - it's one of those bizarre pieces of tacky iconography that marks the start of the path that led to glow-in-the dark Madonna lighters (with flip top heads).
Pete
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Pete Clarke
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Roxana Cooper Wrote:
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> I am beginning to hate the History Channel. They
> should change the name to the 'Pseudo-Historical
> Fantasy Channel.
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> "Thought by some to be a hoax,"
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> Some? SOME?? Let's see does the fact it was
> coincidently discovered by a scandanavian
> immigrant
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Katherine Griffis-Greenberg
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Ancient History
I am beginning to hate the History Channel. They should change the name to the 'Pseudo-Historical Fantasy Channel.
"Thought by some to be a hoax,"
Some? SOME?? Let's see does the fact it was coincidently discovered by a scandanavian immigrant not suggest something rotten? Does the fact that the stone stands alone with NO collateral materials not ring a few alarms? Mu
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Roxana Cooper
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Ancient History
Seems that The History Channel is filming a documentary that will air in September and it has Templars!
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Allan Shumaker
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Ancient History
An archaeologist says a rock used to mark a parking lot at a church in Sweden is actually a 1,000-year-old runestone.
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Hermione
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Ancient History
Here is an equally controversial rock. Initially named Indian Rock, it became more widely known as the Heavener Runestone, thanks to the efforts of Gloria Farley. Now it has its' own state park.
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Allan Shumaker
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Ancient History
I've bowed to family pressure and joined Facebook. John Hoopes is on it and has sent me this:
Controversies in Archaeology
Alice Beck Kehoe
240 pp. / 6.00 x 9.00 / Mar, 2008
Hardback (978-1-59874-061-5)
Paperback (978-1-59874-062-2)
Available Mar, 2008
Not yet available for online ordering
Atlantis, ancient astronauts, and pyramid power. Archaeologists are perennially bombarded wit
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Doug Weller
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Ancient History
State policy would not affect the University. How could Hu have his website there if it did? All his photos of alleged pre-Columbian European artefacts are there on the University website.
I don't think you understand the way academic freedom works in the US.
And exactly where can I find this state policy? What does it say? You claim it's a fact but you've got nothing but 3rd
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Doug Weller
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Ancient History
donald r raab Wrote:
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> My mistake. I referenced state policy instead of
> a state university policy. That is what the
> article said. And whether one likes it or not
> that said what it said. All your other
> qualifications aside the policy was not to show
> anamolies that would suggest earlier contact.
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Doug Weller
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Ancient History
Does this mean you retract your claim without admitting it?
The original discussion:
donald r raab Wrote:
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> In one of the other posts about the roman heads I
> went back to the sites mentioning it. That led me
> to Roman coins and lo and behold. A large group
> are not displayed publically because of state
> university policy that says outside contacts
> anamolie
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Doug Weller
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Ancient History
Politics and archaeology can go together in the US also.
"Senate Passes Resolution Honoring Heavener Researcher
The State Senate on Monday passed a resolution honoring the exceptional life
and work of Gloria Farley of Heavener, a teacher, researcher, author and
caseworker for the state welfare system.
Senator Kenneth Corn, author of Senate Resolution 87, said Farley’s tireless
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Doug Weller
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Ancient History
We can expect to see this ...erm...thing billed as "Famed Smithsonian program" in the near future. This is why many think the Kensington Runestone forgery is in that establishment. Its owner offered it to the Smithsonian and proceeded to claim that it had been accepted.
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Voltaire
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Laboratory
Every couple of years someone "finds" a cryptogram in the Kennsington Rune stone. going through my memory this is number 5 and they are all different.
Frankly I'am not impressed.
Pierre
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Pacal
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Ancient History
I don't think there is any definitive critical analysis, everything has been moving fairly fast in the last 5 years or so.
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Doug Weller
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Ancient History
Doug,
Can you point to the best critical analysis of this beastie?
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Anthony
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Ancient History
It's the Templars, say Wolter and Nielsen (the article has a lot of distorted nonsense about critics of the stone).
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Doug Weller
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Ancient History
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