Kat,

First, Kat you stated: ""The sun was revered as a supreme deity by the Natchez and others of the ancient Southeast" ..so Idoubt they saw the sun as a star."

And my response was that just because they saw it as a deity doesn't mean they also didn't see it as a star. And I used evidence of Venus ALSO being seen as a deity BUT ALSO being seen as a star. That's evidence that supports my argument that it can be seen as both a deity and a star without contradiction.

And then you stated: "We're not talking about how they defined Venus... the question is how they defined the sun. "

Yes, Kat we ARE talking about how they defined Venus because the Swift Creek symbols that I believe are Mayan Venus glyphs use the circumpunct symbol which the Swift Creek scholars believe is purely a sun symbol but I disagree. I believe they are also star symbols and thus further support my argument that the Swift Creek design represents Venus. That's what this discussion is all about Kat. Keep up.

The real question is what does the circumpunct symbol represent. I argue that it doesn't just represent the sun but it also represents stars and I use the case of the Forsyth Petroglyph to support my argument. Thus, if the symbol is used to represent both the sun AND stars then clearly it means something more like "light in the sky" as opposed to just "sun." Or maybe they DID see the sun as a star and thus this explains why they used this symbol to represent both the sun and stars.

Further evidence that the circumpunct was a Venus symbol can be found on Tlaloc's headdress. Again, Tlaloc was closely associated with Venus and he usually wears a headdress which features a band of circumpuncts around its base. Often his eyebrows/nose/eyes are in the form of the Mayan EK glyph as well. A good source to see this is in this artifact on the Tlaloc wikipedia page:

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Thus this is evidence that the circumpunct was associated with Venus/star in Mesoamerica. The Forsyth Petroglyph is evidence the circumpunct was associated with stars in the southeastern U.S. Thus the appearance of the circumpunct on the Swift Creek design that I interpret as a Mayan Venus glyph is entirely consistent with this evidence. It shows that this symbol had identical meanings in both Mesoamerica and the Southeastern U.S. which further supports my argument that the Swift Creek designs are Mesoamerican in origin.

So, Kat, what is your argument about the meaning of the circumpunct symbol in the Swift Creek culture and what is the evidence to support your argument?

Furthermore,this whole thread was in response to Hermione stating: "contrary to what you state, the symbolism found in such images is largely based on forms found in nature. There is no mention of stars."

Apparently Hermione was unaware that the symbol was also used to represent the sun, so I corrected her. But honestly, I'm not even sure WHAT her point is...is she arguing that stars are not forms found in nature? Hermione's logic seems to be that since the symbolism is based on forms found in nature then it's impossible for it to represent a star because no mention was made specifically about stars as if a star is also not a form found in nature. Again, what is her point exactly????




Gary Daniels
Author, "Mayan Calendar Prophecies: Predictions for 2012-2052"
Creator, LostWorlds.org, TheRealMayanProphecies.com
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