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This is a good site;
As far as naming units goes, at Kadesh the army was divided into four divisions named Amun, Ra, Ptah and Setekh.
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Yes there would likely have been a noticeable increase in the luminosity of the lights if there was cometry activity near the ecliptic plane...so it can be supposed that when omens of portent appeared the magic mountain of light started glowing brightly.
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However: surely, if pyramids simply developed from earlier mastabas, the shape of the zodiacal light might be merely coincidental?
The mastaba has association with the primeval mound, place of sunrise. the zodiacal Light is seen above this point, and thus a natural vertical extension of the mound/mastaba.
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The Narmer palette depicts a heroic figure in the Orion stance
There is no evidence for a weapon wielding Orion from Egypt, only a staff carrying shepherd/Osiris type after the Mesopotamian 'shepherd of Anu' type.
From a Late period illustrationat Esna one sees that Bootes was certainly weapon bearing, with arrows and sword, and there was the relationship toward Ursa Major.
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I think we have to clear some things up. What modern stars do you propose that the name Orion represented - and what Bootes? Scholars have mixed up a lot of things they didn't understand in the past, but there are methods to clear that up.
I don't think it's a question of which particular stars were found in Orion and Bootes but the association made between the two constella
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That information cannot be found in either the regular or scientific calculator on a computer, nor on Starry Night software, so therefore it doesn't matter.
Yes thus far the basic premise of this theory is only available on novelty barometers...
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Being Boeotian, I would love it if Sah was Boötes but all evidence points to the fact that he was not. Sah was Orion.
Gosh you don't know as a Greek that Bootes could also represent the mythical Orion....
Arkturos is mentioned twice, W. 566 and 610. By Arkturos Hesiod means the same as Homer by Bootes; in later Greek he is also called Arktophylax, and Aratus seems to use Ar
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So if I understand this latest twist on your Sah = Boötes idea - in the Old Kingdom, Sah personified Boötes in the northern sky rather than Orion in the southern sky, and this according to you, is evident on the late FIP Eearly MK coffins, where in the pic you posted from the Dyn 9 / 10 coffin from Asyut, Meskhetiu is depicted to the right of Sah and Sopdet to his left. One immediate problem is
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I think there is definate evidence for two Sahs, the old Kingdom 'great Sah' based on the constellation Bootes, with it's relationship to the bulls thigh and Spica as Sopdet, the companion.
That's the Sah one sees in this image, the bulls thigh to the right of Sah and Sopdet to his left, the opposite way one sees the later illustrations with Sopdet on the right of Sah
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However, as I understand it from looking around at astronomy sites, it's a seasonal phenomenon and you're most likely to see it in the autumn months. Earth & Sky says the first real mention of it was by Omar Kayyam (http://earthsky.org/astronomy-essentials/look-for-the-zodiacal-light-or-false-dawn ) though it was undoubtedly known before then. And it really doesn't seem to be o
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Well, the zodiacal light is only roughly triangular, isn't a regular feature, and is hard to see. There is no evidence that they saw or named this light or that it held any particular importance for them.
Perhaps not so , the Sun was said to rise from the Mountain of Bakhu and set in the Mountain of Manu, the two comprsing the Akhet. Now those mountains are entirely mythical, after a
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What put me onto the idea was the Sumerian hymns to their ziggurats, the emphasis on awesome radiance, and the parallel with the Egyptian concern with shining and radiance...it seemed apparant that a fundamental aspect for these sacred mountains was shining and radiance, that they were derivative symbols of a light based phenomena.
House of terrifying radiance, iiterior full with pr
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Hi Chris,
yes i know there were considerations then that the Sopd triangle could be related to the zodiacal light (which i don't think it was...wrong sort of triangle), but i've never seen anyone directly relate the pyramids and the descent/ascent of the King into the lower chamber with the zodical light and sun beneath the horizon.
After two or three thousand
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Im surprised that of all the suggestions for the inspiration and essential nature of the Egyptian pyramids that an association with the zodiacal light is not considered, in my opinion this is by far the most likely source of inspiration.
The zodiacal light is dust particles trailing along the ecliptic plane seen at sunrise or sunset at any time of the year depending upon atmospheric conditions
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Thee is a far easier method to achieve the cardinal orientation and it involves what the Egyptians of the time were concerned with, stars rising upon the Eastern horizon and setting directly opposite in the West.
The method is pick any star rising upon the Eastern horizon and with the best sighting equpmwnt you have delineate this also projecting toward the Western horizon, then note any dif
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About 50 years separate Norden and Bonaparte’s later expedition to the Giza site, but Norden’s 4th ‘pyramid’ is not shown on the Giza site plan in ‘The Monument’s of Egypt’. However, a 4th pyramid to the south of G3, is shown in the perspective drawing of the Giza three (Vol. 5 Pl. 7), drawn from the SE. This 4th pyramid is the easternmost subsidiary pyramid, G3a that has a 44m square base and a
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There are earlier, obviously not very reliable, illustrations confirming the tradition of four main pyramids, and yes there is the possibility that the smaller fourth was dismantled for it's hard black stone.
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But he does appear to show the ruins of Khentkhawes tomb in relatively correct position...
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I've just checked your images and the first one suggests a GIII satellite pyramid and the second one reinforces that, but is an impossible perspective. It shows GI being far east of the Sphinx.
A G3 satellite might seem the obvious contender, but consider this general view from across the river, ofthe same work, it shows a couple of G3 satellites in apparant relatively correct position
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His positioning would be way off there, he places it set back to the West of G3 and describes it as in design series with the other three, on a diagonal each set around four or five hubdred paces apart...
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I'm wondering what Frederic Norden was describing in his book 'Travels in Egypt and Nubia' regarding a fourth Giza main pyramid, his illustrations regarding the position of such are very good for the period,
He describes this pyramid on pages 120-121 and 146-148 here;
He considered that the fourth was designed in series with the other three
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A liquid bodily discharge kept in a vase and protected by snakes...
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Morph, If you are referring to the child encircled by the serpent he is not Osiris.
Neferatum...?
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where does that image of the bark come from? I'd like to take a closer look at the hieroglyphs.
Not sure exactly, there's one very similar from this tomb,
And more general barque images here;
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Do you have any explicit, unambiguous references - not just references you think are suggestive, that Sah crossed the northern sky rather than the southern sky, or that Sah presided over northern Egypt rather than southern Egypt?
Why resort to explaining away unambiguous texts that clearly state Sah is in the southern sky, with all this special pleading – why favor ‘suggestive’ texts that ne
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I don't think I understand your position. What is the Egyptian name for Orion.
As i suggested during the OK in the Memphite region the greater Orion constellation could perhaps have been seen as the Henu barque of Sokar, so that would have been it's name...
Later Egyptian depictions of Orion are after the Sumer-Babylonian constellation form of 'The Shepherd of A
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I don’t blame you for “Ignoring all the Sah bunkum” as you more than anyone have been guilty of spreading "bunkum" concerning Sah. First your insistence that Sah was in the northern half of the sky when the ancient texts clearly state Sah crossed the southern sky. Second your bizarre insinuation that the identification of Sah with Orion by Egyptologists was influenced by the theosophist
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How do you go about separating Sah from Orion? What Egyptian word are you translating 'Orion'?
As the articles suggest, Khoiak was an Orion associated festival and the constellation was a stellar manifestation of Sokar, i don't think there ever was any link between Sah and Orion that needs seperating.
The belt stars themselves may have been the ideogram of the open wi
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Ignoring all the Sah bunkum, these articles give the best insight into what the periodics of Orion in the OK would have involved, relative to the cult of Sokar.
Sokar was undoubtedly originally a distinct deity of the Memphite necropolis: r3-sT3.w "Giza" (like the name of this List's server "Rostau" though I would have spelled if "Rosetjau") and pD.w &q
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In a book about to published soon, the author refers to Paul la Violette, physicist and author, as saying that 'The pyramid layout is not as accurate as claimed. compared to the stars they are supposed to reflect, there is a 10 percent error in their relative separation and a 32 percent angular deviation.'
The main problem to the suggestion is that of scaling, as the evidence sugge
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