Hermione Wrote:
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> > > You really should stop getting your
> > information
> > > about the Maya from shady internet
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bernard Wrote:
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> You really should stop getting your information
> about the Maya from shady internet sites. Read a
> real book-- Coe, Sharer, etc.
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> Bernard
But it had such a pretty picture of a quetzal!
Anyway, does that change anything?
WVK
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Khazar-khum Wrote:
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> It's one thing to demonstrate that there are
> acoustic properties, and another to demonstrate
> that the Maya used & exploited these
> properties.
>
> Assuming they are deliberate, when, why & how
> were they used? What did the Maya think?
>
> Consider, too, that the
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> > > They don't sound alike, honestly.
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> > Most disagree with you
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&
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Khazar-khum Wrote:
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> They don't sound alike, honestly.
Most disagree with you
Consider the sonograph
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bernard Wrote:
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> > Give up? I win?
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> > WVK
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> Just because something is posted on the internet
> does not mean that it is accurate or true. Who
> ever heard
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Rick Baudé Wrote:
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> From what I can see this must have been a roofed
> structure at one time that would have changed the
> acoustics, have they taken this into account?
Wouldn't it be quite a coincident that the feathered serpent sound is only
the result of ruined condition? What are the odds?
I would expect that a m
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Others have noticed the rattlesnake sound effect (from over in front of El Castillo):
"Even more amazingly, if you stand directly in front of the Pyramid of Kukulcan and clap, not only can you hear the reflection off the Pyramid but there is also another echo off the steps of the Temple of the Warriors that sounds like a rattle snake. Get your position right and you will hear the chirp, r
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Temple of the Warriors:
Picture:
Two huge feathered serpents (Kukulkan?) frame the door to the temple at the top of the pyramid.
An the echo from a hand clap placed on the grass a few feet from the structure
while facing the steps (and the feathered serpents) produces Two (2) distinct sounds:
1) Quetzal like chirp from the stairs followed by
2) A lengthy rattlesnake-like sound
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Note the doorways:
perhaps they also provide "voice enhancement"?
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Caracol passageway to outside from the inside:
WVK
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An interesting acoustical quirk can be experienced at the Caracol in the entrances. At about midway your voice will begin to resonate. A listener standing outside on the terrace will also notice the effect, altering the voice to "bigger than life".
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> > Regarding raindrop in a bucket effect, would
> the
> > Chac mask located above the door on top count
> for
> > anything?
>
> But what is the relationship between Chac and
> quetzals? Kabah has hundreds of Chac masks but
> precious few stairs to chirp with.
>
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bernard Wrote:
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> The fly in the ointment is that you need textual
> support for the idea that the quetzal was
> connected to rain by the ancient Maya. At some
> stage one needs to get into the Maya worldview
> instead of assuming things.
> Bernard
Regarding raindrop in a bucket effect, would the Chac m
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bernard Wrote:
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> > Are either of you familiar with overtones?
> It's
> > even possible that the priests used the
> sound
> > effects as a type of sympathetic magic in
> times of
> > drought.
> The sympatheti
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> I agree Rick...the echo is just part of it.
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> But...you would think that at some point....
>
> {{time machine on}}
> "Chief says to set up drums on top of Venus
> platform ...and flutes in the ball court."
> {{time machine off}}
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>
> We create places today
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bernard Wrote:
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> This needs a bagful of salt. As was pointed out in
> the article, the pyramids have been reconstructed
> with no assurance that the reconstruction was
> completely accurate.
> Bernard
Bernard,
Isn't it a scientific question as to how accurate the pyramids must be to produce the acoustical effe
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Rick Baudé Wrote:
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> Exactly. A "chirp" to you might sound like a
> squeaky heel to me.
"You will hear two Quetzal bird chirps (recorded in a rain forest) followed by two chirped echoes stimulated by a handclaps at the pyramid (recorded by me in January 1998). We must not expect the sounds to be identical. Just
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> Even so, if the acoustic effect depended on the
> pyramid as a whole it's quite likely the
> restoration at least distorts the effect.
It the quetzal echo depends on the steps:
"Mayan Pyramid Steps
The pyramid was once covered with smooth finish plaster. The plaster has been miss
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A hand clap in front of the un-restored Southern side of El Castillo responds with a quetzal like chirp same a restored side but "weaker"
"Those that restored the other two faces, and the upper temple, left these sides untouched from how they were found in order to show future generations the condition from which it was restored."
WVK
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Wikipedia:
"In archaeology, in situ refers to an artifact that has not been moved from its original place of deposition"
A.P. Maudslay
El Castillo, Chichén Itzá book plate, ca. 1889
To a non expert (me) it looks like a high % of the stairs were "in situ"
before reconstruction. Enough to get it right?
It is the steps that produce both the quetzal and raindrop s
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"The “news” in this paper is that for the first time, acoustical mechanisms have been found and cultural purposes proposed for two remarkable acoustic effects at the GBC at Chichen Itza, a World Heritage site. These claims are certain to stir controversy. But it will be important news in archaeology if these findings have even partial validity."
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The Great Ballcourt In Chichen Itza has two well known acousical phenomena,
a "whispering gallery" and a "flutter echo". These two effects combined could
function similarly to a modern electronic sports arena Public Address system that provides
enhanced aural communications and aural excitement to the playing field.
The whispering gallery provides an estimated 20 db of
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Flutter echo inside the the Great Ballcourt (Chichen Itza):
Chirp Temple of Kukulkan (CI):
Chirp Main Plaza, Tikal
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Excuse me if this has already been discussed. I have read with interest the new GP internal ramp theory. If true wouldn't we expect one inside Khafre’s Pyramid, or the 2nd Pyramid as well?
WVK
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I recall a TV show several years ago where a hole was drilled through a "door" in one of the shafts only to discover another door. Has there been any additional drilling done (or planned) since then?
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Hello Stephanie,
I believe that they were Meso origin or influenced according to the information along the site. I am no expert
I would be interested in your preception of the acoustics at the ballcourt. My wife was on one end just sidestepping the entrance, I was on the opposite just side stepping the the other entrance. Very noticable enhancement for both of us when speaking to one anot
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This is from a family trip we made summer of 2004
We just returned from a tour or the west. We stopped at Wupatki
National Monument, located a bit north of Flagstaff
"What is surprising about Wupatki is that this pueblo ruin has a ball
court. Although archaeologists don't know what type of games were played
in the court, they suggest a similarity to the Aztecs and Mayan
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