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> "To save you the trouble of finding it, here is
> part of a discussion of this point posted on
> Guardians in 1999-2000" -
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> Oh my. That explains a lot.
LOL ! Thanks for finding that Hermione !
It doesn't explain anything, btw. That was 10 years ago. My k
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Greg Reeder Wrote:
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> You have an odd way of reading texts. I find
> nowhere in his review where Eyma is "surprised"
> by a mention of Pharaoh. Eyma is simply
> summarizing the contents of the book chapter by
> chapter. Care to give us a direct quotation where
> he is "surprised"? By the way A. K.
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Hermione Wrote:
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> > who is A.K. Eyma ?
>
> Why don't you try Googling?
Do you seriously think I am so dense you'd need to suggest to me I need to Google someone ? Don't you think I'd have done that ? D
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Roxana Cooper Wrote:
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> Even if Islamic Scholars HAD deciphered
> hieroglyphs the fact that their work was 'lost'
> would mean Champolion et.al. had to start again
> from scratch.
The knowledge of the glyphs was never lost at all. It may have been 'technically' re-found by England/France, and in our inh
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Greg Reeder Wrote:
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> You gave a ref to Egyptology: The Missing
> Millennium. Ancient Egypt in Medieval Arabic
> Writings.
>
> "Were you at all aware that the claim of
> Champollion being famed for decyphering
> hieroglyphs is a complete falsehood "
>
> Your statement claims that Champlollion
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Greg Reeder Wrote:
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> Kircher didn't translate the hieroglyphs
> correctly. He did recognize that the Coptic
> language was an important link to the ancient
> language. But it was Champollion who translated
> the glyphs and came up with a viable system to do
> so.
Fascinating how people just keep repeating
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Greg Reeder Wrote:
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> Khenti-amentiu.
Euh .. yes, we know.
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Hermione Wrote:
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> Champollion's own breakthrough was based, not only
> on the discovery of the Rosetta Stone, but also on
> the work of earlier researchers such as Kircher,
> who had translated a book by Ibn Wahshiyya in
> which some hieroglyphs were deciphered.
Yes, I realize that that is the currrent story st
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Chris,
And how is 'foremost of the westerners' written/pronounced in AE ? This is an important connection between Osiris and the 'similar' predecessor gods.
Is is by name, or by associative traits we need recognize an historical path?
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> RB: “The epithet 'Foremost of the Westerne
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Egyptology: The Missing Millenium
El-Daly, Okasha
UCL Press, London 2005
1-84472-063-2
... and documents long held exlpaining glyphs merely read by Champollion.
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Hermione Wrote:
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> 1822: Jean-François Champollion shows a draft
> translation of the mysterious Rosetta stone and
> demonstrates to the world how to read the
> voluminous hieroglyphics left behind by the
> scribes of ancient Egypt.
>
> Hermione
> Director/Owner/Moderator - The Hall of Ma'at
Were yo
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Anthony Wrote:
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> > > Principia,
> >
> > Heya !
> >
> Thanks for using your real name in signing your
> post. I had to erase "Avry" when I first wrote
> this because I wasn't sure if you might be trying
> to stay a little more anonymous. Phew!
> >
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> > The MTs are not in the same realtive
> positions to
> > each other.
>
> Really? So the three MTs aren't centered on the
> east side of all three pyramids?
You misunderstood. Perhap
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> > To be specific, c.150ft for the pinnacle
> offset
> > and within 45ft for the MTs.
>
> So IF the AE were limited to their accuracy in
> drawing the asterism and people are accepting 150
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Khazar-khum Wrote:
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> Here's my question, which is apparently too
> trivial for you to even consider:
(You're wrong. Please don't presume to know me or what I am willing or not willing to consider.)
>
> What tolerances would *you* expect?
Within 50ft, or whatever % someone wants to translate that into.
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Anthony Wrote:
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> Principia,
Heya !
> There is no margin of error because there is no
> evidence of intent.
Well, actually, in a purely mathematical sense of comparing three points to three points, intent is not relevant. I mean, yes we all can put a value on how close or far the pinnacles (or MTs) are to the asteri
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>>> Principia:
> > That is utterly wrong. It's so wrong it's
> not
> > *even* wrong. Three points compared to three
> > points requires absolutely no
> > upside-down-backwards comparison. To boot,
> the
> > whole thing isn't even upsidedown and
> back
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Sorry, I mis-remembered old data.
It is 9'-11' arc *minutes* of real seperation of the star position, in other words, that's what the AE astrobuff of the time had a tolerance to work with.
Sorry, it was not 9-11 *degrees*, it was minutes.
It was 5-6 degrees offset arc sep from Alnilam to Mintaka, ie. Khafre to Menkaure. Had to re-check figures from an article I worked on
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Khazar-khum Wrote:
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> > I am only interested here to resolve/discuss
> the
> > issue raised by Paul LaViolette, which was
> made
> > clear from the beginning of this thread.
>
> What a coincidence! That's what I'm all about,
> too.
>
> And La Violette says that there isn't a p
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Anthony Wrote:
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> Goalposts? He's got to move entire pyramids
> several hundred yards to make it match!
>
> Anthony
Hi Anthony !
To be specific, c.150ft for the pinnacle offset and within 45ft for the MTs.
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All wrong, but ...
Aren't you getting off the topic ? We are discussing a % offset, and what entails a reasonable level of tolerance before we would call something coincidence or not. Any comment on that ?
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Robert Bauval Wrote:
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> La Violette wrote "32 percent angular deviation."
> I think he means the angular offset of Mintaka
> from the line passing through the other two stars
> (Alnitak and Alnilam), compared to the angular
> offset of G3 (Menkaure pyramid) to the line
> passing through G1 and G2.
If you see what I see, his statment makes no sense. Wh
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Khazar-khum Wrote:
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I wouldn't
> be asking people why this one misses by 32% or
> whatever; I'd take a miss of that magnitude to be
> analogous to proving that there WAS no correlation
> between the two. If I was making an homage to Ursa
> Major I'd make it as close to perfect as I could.
> I'd f
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5% ? Ok.
That's an appreciative response, because I believe that Robert is asking to discuss just what exactly would be a feasible amount of error. So let's look at 5%.
How much of an error is the reality of the asterism when comnpared to the pyramid pinnacles? This has a practical, mathematical answer. The pinnacle offset error is within 5%, yet better still is the Mortuary Temp
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... maybe that rings some bells ? It seems relevant to the discussion (AE roots). Thought someone might be interested.
Cheers,
Avry
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Hi Chris,
Would you happen to have a copy of the article you cite, or where I can get one ? In exchange I have something written some years ago you might be interested in.
Thanks
Avry
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Chris is a rock star. Well, star star. Whatever. You know what I mean.
So Anthony, should we close the book on the depth of AE timekeeping ? Let me and Chris know what you think of what he's kindly dug up for us. There is more, of course - the refs I was thinking of were not the same as his. Quickly from the dust in my head ... umm ... had something to do with a text specifically notin
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Greg Reeder Wrote:
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> It doesn't matter what Clagett put there etc. We
> were being "played" by Sirfiroth. Period.
Understood. Anthony hepled out.
I suppose I'm ignoring the 'play' and just analyzing the quote, what it's composed of, how it's composed, that's all. Just discussing
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Anthony Wrote:
> It's not about rebuttal. Not only has he not
> prepared one, but he has taken quotes out of
> context, given them the weight of citation by an
> expert, and then based a line of questioning upon
> his false presentation.
>
> Whether he's questioning the translations or not,
> his method is clearly unacceptable.
Thanks for explain
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Anthony Wrote:
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> > There's no
> > > evidence for this kind of exact star
> gazing
> > at
> >
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