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You were espousing insufficient thinking skills based on irrational beliefs.
So I was right the first time.
The choice is yours, not mine. Fix it or own it.
What does this mean? That you want me to either change my original post to something you find more pleasing or else I must own your insults? What if I do neither? Are you going to ban me?
No need.
Bye Anthony
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Barbara Bajus
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Ancient Egypt
It's your argument that was described
See, and here I thought you were denigrating my thinking skills and attributing me with irrational beliefs.
Happy New Year Anthony.
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Barbara Bajus
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Ancient Egypt
Somehow I expected more than insults from you Anthony.
I'm disappointed.
Best wishes
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Barbara Bajus
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Ancient Egypt
Actually Anthony, my thinking skills are just fine
Chris Tedder has already demonstrated (several times IIRC) that the "upside down" rebuttal falls flat.
And while there might not be "proof" that the Old Kingdom Egyptians knew about precession, it would be more surprising if they didn't IMO, all things considered.
So, while (as Jaromir Malek states) the OCT isn
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Barbara Bajus
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Ancient Egypt
I'm familiar with all of those problems. And they all seem to be various forms of strawman arguments.
I agree.
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Barbara Bajus
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Ancient Egypt
>>>I wasn't aware that the Royal association/characterisation with a Lion was unique to the 4th and 5th dynasty.
Warwick, it doesn't have to be unique to the 4th and 5th Dynasty to be relevant.
>>>It certainly doesn't stand as ultimate proof of what particular star or stars may have been employed in ascertaining the cardinal points..or that only a star or s
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Barbara Bajus
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Ancient Egypt
Hi Katherine,
>>You are reading this all wrong:<<
That's certainly possible.
>>No one has ever claimed that Tutankhamun's whole ribs were removed<<
I never claimed Tut's *whole* ribs were removed either. But I think Burton's photos indicate that the damage to Tut's ribs came after 1922. That's JMO.
>>What Harrison and Abd
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Barbara Bajus
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Ancient Egypt
The article says:
""It has been suggested that tomb robbers, operating sometime between 1925 and 1968, may have stolen the heart and chest bones. The new research shows that while robbers stole some of Tut’s jewellery they didn’t take the body parts. Instead they were lost due to a massive chest injury Tut sustained while he was still alive.""
The author justifies the cl
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Barbara Bajus
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Ancient Egypt
>>Is it certain that tomb robbers actually reached the mummy ?<<
I wasn't suggesting the "stuffing" went missing when ancient tomb robbers entered Tut's tomb, I was suggesting it went missing after Carter unwrapped the mummy. He mentions the stuffing - so it was obviously present when he unwrapped Tut. Therefore it went missing (along with perhaps the heart) som
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Barbara Bajus
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Ancient Egypt
>> It required no wiork at all to move the 6 1/2 million ton dam into position.<<
cladking,
It's extremely difficult to take you seriously when you make comments like this one. Do you even want to be taken seriously? Because I can't tell.
This entire thread has been a huge waste of time, because you dodge contrary evidence, you avoid answering questions posed to you
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Barbara Bajus
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Ancient Egypt
>>There is water erosion in a massive water collection device. The canal leading to the cliff face was most assuredly used for something even if it was simply to prevent erosion of the plateau. That this water was collected and channeled virtually proves it was used for something. Other evidence suggests what it was used for.
Even if this other evidence didn't exist the fact is tha
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Barbara Bajus
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Ancient Egypt
>>I'm not sure but I am certain the lack of evidence can't be used to prove the opposing argument.<<
Lack of evidence isn't being used to prove the opposing argument.
>>I've listed the direct references several times. It's harder now since they messed up the search engine so it can't search for "pyramid".
I'll dig it up aga
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Barbara Bajus
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Ancient Egypt
>>There is ample evidence that they not only had water but that it was used.<<
Where is the *ample* evidence that the pyramids were built this way?
>>So how did Imhotep suddenly invent great pyramids?<<
Have you read about the evolution of tombs from a mastaba, to the step pyramid, to a true pyramid?
I'd start here:
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Barbara Bajus
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Ancient Egypt
>>Well, there's soft evidence like the lack of any proof there were ever any burials in any of the great pyramids<<
You're trying to prove a negative again.
>>but I consider the words of the builders chiseled into the walls of slightly later pyramids to be hard evidence. They specifically and repeatedly said they were not tombs.<<
No, they don't. N
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Barbara Bajus
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Ancient Egypt
>>>But there is also hard evidence they were not tombs<<<
What evidence?
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Barbara Bajus
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Ancient Egypt
>>>Orthodox ideas about the ancients are very seductive simply because they are based on actual evidence and some real understanding. This is why to the degree I'm able I try to glean the facts from orthodoxy and leave the chaffe they are embedded within.<<<
That's precisely the problem.
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Barbara Bajus
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Ancient Egypt
I don't think the disconnect is as "massive" as you seem to imply. It only appears massive when you reject the evidence that does survive (because it doesn't fit with your theories). You yourself create the disconnect by ignoring the very evidence that connects the egyptians with their own monuments (and what that evidence says about the funerary nature of the pyramids).
An
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Barbara Bajus
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Ancient Egypt
>>>I believe this is evidenced by the fact that virtually nothing survives from "old egyptian" despite the fact the Greeks recorded "everything".<<<
There are texts from the old kingdom, so texts clearly survive.
I see no reason to presume that later egyptians were clueless as to what those texts said. Did they have problems translating the most ancien
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Barbara Bajus
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Ancient Egypt
>>>After 1100 years most of the ability to read and understand the language would have been lost.<<<
The ability to read a text from over 1100 years ago would clearly pose problems, yes. But that doesn't mean that a prayer written 1100 years ago (one a scribe could no longer read in the oldest of texts) wouldn't survive. Illiterate english speaking peasants knew the
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Barbara Bajus
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Ancient Egypt
For example, I can quote the lord's prayer (having learned it orally from my Grandpa). I would be able to read a version of the Lord's Prayer in middle english. Even though some of the words would be unintelligible to me in a different context. However, in old english - I would be completely unable to read it. That does not mean that the prayer didn't exist in old english. It simpl
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Barbara Bajus
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Ancient Egypt
Have you tried to read anything in Old English? Like Beowulf for example? Being able to read English today does not automatically equate to being able to read English from the time of Beowulf (sometime between 700 and 900 AD).
It's not surprising that something written 1000 or more years before any given scribes timeframe might pose problems for a translator.
>>>Why is the
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Barbara Bajus
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Ancient Egypt
>>>My understanding is the heart was always wrapped and replaced in the chest cavity.<<<
Yes, that's my understanding as well.
The article Hermoine posted stated :
"A new study shows that Tutankhamun, Egypt’s famous “boy-king” who died around the age of 18, suffered a “massive crushing tearing injury to his chest” that likely would have killed him.
X-rays
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Barbara Bajus
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Ancient Egypt
>>>I don't think it's safe to speculate on that mummies original condition.<<<
I agree.
Even if both KV55 and Tut's sternum *had* been removed in antiquity, that doesn't necessarily mean that a congenital abnormality or mortal injury required it. It could have been an innovation in mummification that wasn't continued after the end of Amarna.
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Barbara Bajus
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Ancient Egypt
Do we know what happened to the "chest stuffing" Carter mentions? It's possible that Tut's heart was originally buried with him, and is now among the "rock hard" linens that once filled his chest (wherever they may be now). Perhaps his sternum was also attached to the resins that coated the stuffing, and went missing at the same time?
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Barbara Bajus
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Ancient Egypt
>>>In the old photos made by Burton one can make out bow-like shapes under the tissue, or at least I think so. If nobody else agrees, then I am probably the victim of an optical illusion.<<<
Yes, I agree with you. Is this the photo you mean?
The ribs do appear to be visible. Perhaps the ribs were only partially removed (along with the sternum), leaving the rest of the
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Barbara Bajus
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Ancient Egypt
Hello Robert! How are you?
>>>I think that what you are seeing in Chasing Mummies is --for better or for worse-- the real Zahi Hawass unleashed.<<<
Yes, you're probably right. After watching the first episode, I lost all interest in seeing the rest.
Best wishes to you and Michele!
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Barbara Bajus
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No offense intended Katherine but any alleged linguistic observation from 30,000 years ago is pure speculation.
And your assertion that preliterate societies were mute and needed telepathy to communicate is *not* pure speculation??? lol
There is actually a lot more than mere speculation behind the estimated dates Katherine gave you Don. Have you read about the Upper Paleolithic Revolution?
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Barbara Bajus
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