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Graham Chase Wrote (in reply to Khazar-khum): ------------------------------------------------------- > Yours "You are taking something which already > exists & then looking for a mathematical > reason, a geometric proof that will expain > everything away." > > Mine : yes that is fair comment ... > Mine : You havn't shown 'why' anythiby Hermione - Ancient History
It's been suggested to me that there is also another problem with Graham's proof. It shows angles being subtracted in degrees: but as we know, the AEs didn't use degrees. They used sekeds. A further problem arises because the proof is based on the supposition that the GP shafts indicate stars. However, an article in the latest JHA, The Star Alignment Hypothesis for the Great Pby Hermione - Ancient History
Hi C Wayne, > > I think you may be right that the 45 degree line > is not established by the data. There is also, of course, the question of why the 2000 cubits has to be measured between pyramid diagonals? I can't help wondering whether it wouldn't be more sensible to measure something between points such as corners ... ?by Hermione - Ancient History
Khazar-khum Wrote: > You are taking something which already exists > & then looking for a mathematical reason, a > geometric proof that will expain everything away. > > If your theory was correct, you'd have the > formulae from AE & then go around applying it > until you found the monuments/sites that fit. > Instead you are taking the monuments andby Hermione - Ancient History
Graham, > Yes you are right. > Except that the 45 degree line is not 'arbitrary' > as that too comes from Giza, is 2000c long on the > ground and is lined up with the South West. I'm sorry, but I'm afraid that I must dispute this. Your 45 degree angle doesn't come from Giza: it's an angle that, with no contemporary cultural support, you take betby Hermione - Ancient History
Graham, > The proof is impervious to cultural argument as it > makes no cultural assumptions. > It cannot be brushed aside or ignored because it > is a logical proof. > So it must be accommodated. Unless . . . > > There are three ways to defeat it > > 1. Argue that the equations are wrong - difficult > as the geometry has been checked by others >by Hermione - Ancient History
Graham, > > In the hieroglyphic depictions in tombs at Giza, > isn't the 'akhet' shown as the sun setting between > two hills ? If so, it would not suggest 'a term > for transfiguring sunlight'. The sun between two hills definitely suggests a solar association, though. There was a slightly different version in the 4th dynasty: a crested ibis anby Hermione - Ancient History
Hi Ronald, > I already provided that link. Many apologies! I'm afraid it must have slipped past me somehow ...by Hermione - Ancient History
Ronald Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > creigs1707 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > The GOCT also regards the 'missing > > Queens' of Khafre as a key indicator of the > > validity of the theory. > > Scott, > > In one of his most recent books on Ancient > Egyptian pyramids, Zby Hermione - Ancient History
Graham Chase Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Since the theory claims the equations were derived > from a geometric construction based on a star > pattern, then someone could conceivably > demonstrate the pattern is not there in the sky. The "star pattern" comes from rotating a line between two stars by an angle that comes from Giby Hermione - Ancient History
Hi Tommi, > > > All I'm doing, though, is asking Graham to > > substantiate his assertion. > > > I know. My post was directed more to him than to > you, but I thought I'd add it to the end of the > sub-thread anyway, since I'm a coming late to this > one. > > My point was that I don't think it can be > substantiated,by Hermione - Ancient History
Hi Tommi, > So the onus is now on you to > > demonstrate that you are indeed in possession > of > > that mathematical proof. > > > In my understanding, such proof is only possible > in a closed system. Therefore theories in > empirical sciences, like Theory of Evolution for > example, can't ever be 'proved'. It's always > pby Hermione - Ancient History
Greg Reeder Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > No I do not. The Edfu texts survive only IIRC in > that Temple which is Late. > > But I do recommend Temples of Ancient Egypt ( ed. > Schafer, Cornell, 1997 ). > > "Growing recognition of how deeply immersed in > pharaonic traditions the late temples are has > brought a reevaby Hermione - Ancient History
Ritva Kurittu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > General information that keeps him up-to-date with > events and ideas 10 years old? I always did find > it surprising how people are not aware of some of > the stuff having being reconsidered during the > time passed since then and the same old Horizon > links being posted..... *sigh* Couldby Hermione - Ancient History
Greg Reeder Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What are the "edifices" in that quote? Philae, Kom Ombo, Edfu, Esna and Dendera. > I wouldn't call the Edfu texts "pious fake(s)." > > The Late Temples are libraries in stone recording > the last memories and traditions of a dying > religion. IMHO. Can you findby Hermione - Ancient History
Ritva Kurittu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What could be the interest of going over and over > through a show from the 90s??? A lot of water has > passed under the bridges since then... It was merely intended to provide some general information for Thadd ...by Hermione - Ancient History
Roxana Cooper Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I gather > this work was commissioned by a Prior Pierre > Julian for his priory as part of > a series on the life of Celestine? The date given, > 1525-45, fits KK's professional > opinion on the costuming. That's pretty much it, Roxana.by Hermione - Ancient History
creigs1707 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > RC: I mean wouldn't it have had to be written down > somewhere. > > SC: Yes - in the Pyramids of Giza - most probably > from an ancient plan that, "...was supposed to > have been revealed in a codex that fell from the > heavens at Saqqara in the days of Imhotep." Aldred >by Hermione - Ancient History
Rick Baudé Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Uhmmmm try where? Run the mouse over the word "here" in my post, Rick.by Hermione - Ancient History
Roxana Cooper Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > what's the provenance.? Try here, Roxana.by Hermione - Ancient History
Thadd Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > From what I understand of the interviews for > Horizon, Hancock and Bauval did not really want to > make any statements that were concrete and > arguable. You might find this link of some interest. At the foot of the page is a transcript which, again, might be of interest.by Hermione - Ancient History
Hi Graham, > Here's the > relevant excerpt : > > "The material we found suggests that at least > parts of the galleries were used as a craft > production area. But the overall structure is > huge. Other galleries may have been used for > storage, perhaps even grain storage, though we > didn’t find good evidence for grain. > > Alternativeby Hermione - Ancient History
Graham, > All those pyramids were based on the Circumpolar > stars. > Hows that ? If they were based on the circumpolar stars, then your geometric theory should be able to provide their positions and dimensions.by Hermione - Ancient History
Hi Graham, > > Wrong ! I think I have to take issue on this. > Geometry is geometry. As you rightly say, geometry is geometry. However, unless you can provide cultural relevance and/or significance for the angles/dimensions mentioned in your theory, then that theory is ultimately irrelevant. > It was part of the AE culture anyway. Could you please provide evidenceby Hermione - Ancient History
Graham, > The 45 degrees is what we find on the ground at > Giza. But, previously, you quoted an angle of 37.715 degrees ... > I have attempted a cultural interpretation of it. Well, you can either be in favour of cultural interpretations, or opposed to them, but you cannot be both. You haven't provided a cultural interpretation of the alleged 45 degree alignment. I sby Hermione - Ancient History
Graham, > Your comment was : > > "If the basis of his theory were truly sound, then > it should work elsewhere." > > This is not a logical statement at all, but for > interest where would you expect the underlying > basis to work, bearing in mind how culture changes > with time. No, I dispute your assertion, and repeat that my argument - "by Hermione - Ancient History
Graham, > > Here's the logical argument : > > 1. State the geometric propositions (2 only) > > 2. Prove that they predict the actual accurately. > > 3. Conclude that the propositions were correct > > The converse is that if they had not predicted the > actual accurately, then they were false. But, unless you can substantiate that the geometby Hermione - Ancient History
Graham, > > No, they are 'pleasingly vaguely similar' not > exact in details. > There are no verified numbers either. So you haven't provided textual support for any of your theories. And now you say you have no "verified numbers", either.by Hermione - Ancient History
Graham, > > The proof is devoid of cultural reference, it > stands on its own. > > We first need to establish that that there were > geometric parameters > > You are going to the next stage, which is to > attach cultural meanings to it, or not as the case > may be. But the proof will still stand ! I'm sorry, but I think you have things back to frby Hermione - Ancient History
Hi Graham , > Geometric proof restated in new posting > > Khufu's pyramid is named "The horizon of Khufu" - > that is stellar > > North chapel has stellar links ? Yes certainly. > > What angle was Heliopolis if not 45 degrees - real > proof of your angle needed ! > But we're still awaiting the geometic proof. Contrary to whatby Hermione - Ancient History