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Hermione
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Ancient History
Warwick,
Thanks are due to Pistol for taking my side, but I think I lost the argument with the post about snakes, and now you have me barking up the wrong shaft.
Pistol's post reminded me of a comment on page 168 of Pyramid Beyond Imagination.
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To make matters worse, the waters of argument became muddied when a notional supporter of Piazzi Smyth's called Robert Menzies
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Mark Heaton
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Ancient Egypt
(A selection of past posts on Menzies/Zheng He)
The plastic bathtub argument ...
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Hermione
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Ancient History
QuoteAt the beginning of the century, British writer Gavin Menzies wrote the bestseller 1421: The Year China Discovered America (2002), in which he alleged, without sufficient evidence, that the Chinese admiral Zheng He had crossed the Pacific Ocean and reached the New World.
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Hermione
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Ancient History
While grazing on youtube looking for lectures and
checking URLs that I have seen on Wikipedia, I came
across pseudoscience weirder than the ubiquitous
Young Earth creationist apologetics.
It seems that a number of people have difficulty with
concretions being geological in origin. For example,
Menzies and Sam Osmanagich argue that cannonball
concretions are manmade artifacts and vario
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Paul H.
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Laboratory
Site below has some photos credited to Ruskamp. No real matches in my view. Ruskamp wrote a book on this similarity several years ago but I can't find any substantive review. Professor Knightly is certainly an expert in his field but does not seem to have written or commented on a Chinese relationship to ancient North America in the past. His focus was strictly ancient China. I should point
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Ron T
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Ancient History
Yes, numbers are a problem but given thousands of years to introduce fresh genetics the possibility of establishing a viable population increases.
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Allan Shumaker
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Ancient History
It is quite feasible that the occasional lucky sailor made it across the ocean to the Americas during pre-Columbian times. Maybe even a few fishermen in a boat as long as they didn't eat each other along the way.
Establishing a lasting presence in a new land requires reproduction, or your fortunate landfall is nothing more than the beginning of an extinction event. John Moore, Sociolo
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Cognito
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Ancient History
Well it is posible
I would point out Poon Lim did reach shore in Brazil which raises the possibility that some ancient Africans could have drifted across the Atlantic and ended up in Brazil.
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Allan Shumaker
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Ancient History
Ok lets follow that argument...
>"12 sub saharan africans trying to reach Europe have died from thirst and hunger in the Algerian desert. according to survivors of the failed journey who returned to northern Mali the group ran out of food and water after their truck broke down between the Algerian border and the town of Tamanrasset. (source: AFP)"
And that's only
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Jammer
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Ancient History
From the link:QuoteSo how does Menzies believe the Chinese pulled off such a giant historical accomplishment thousands of years before anyone else?
“If you just go out in a plastic bathtub, the currents will just carry you there,” Menzies told the Mail. “They just came with the current, it’s as simple as that.”
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Hermione
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Ancient History
And did Zheng follow knowledge of another Chinese explorer of a 1000 years earlier?
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donald r raab
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Ancient History
See Duncan's post above yours. A declaration of a new theory does not make it valid. It can establish a new line of research and dire3ction. In that case it is far better than instant dismissal because of a perceived underlying possibility.
Duncan over the years has consistently suggested that Asian (Chinese) contact with the Americas in the 5th century did happen. And reading his new
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donald r raab
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Paper Lens
Donald,
Maybe your download neglected some chapters and maps. The myths and histories all have Q arriving from and leaving to the east. He is Venus as the morning star after all. The map and chapters tell of an ancient canal from the Pacific to the Caribbean via Lake Nicaragua and the San Juan River. This theory was the basis for an expedition financed by Gavin Menzies and led by the explorer S
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Duncan Craig
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Paper Lens
Related to what goff et al. (2012) has to say about the
Eltanin asteroid impact is an interesting paper published
online in Geology. It is:
Gao, C., J. H. McAndrews, X. Wang, J. Menzies, C. L. Turton,
B. D. Wood, J. Pei, and C. Kodors, 2012, Glaciation of North
America in the James Bay Lowland, Canada, 3.5 Ma. geology.
First published online September 4, 2012
This provides evidence
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Paul H.
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Laboratory
Sorry about that, a feeble joke. There is not much chance that Pharoah Necho II's Phoenician sailors made it round Africa and back through the Straits of Hercules; however, I happen to live in the valley of the Zwartkops River, the mouth of which enters Algoa Bay, a shelter from the fairly hectic weather we experience.
According to Heredotus, they went ashore to grow crops during the wint
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FrankC
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Ancient Egypt
it has argued that what Menzies refers to as Africa is really India. If Menzies interpretation was correct, then Kangnido has no India... in spite of the fact that a slightly older map which is similar, has India.
Another chinese map...
Wiki article on the topic:
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Rich
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Ancient History
"For Asian cartographic history Menzies appears to have read only the homepage of a map lover who summarized historians' research and added his own comments. Menzies' argument about the Ryūkoku Kangnido does not stand in Korean and Chinese histories."
Well, they wasted no time in getting to the point!
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Frank Hipper
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Ancient History
Gavin Menzies, 1421, and the Ryūkoku Kangnido World Map
Author: Robinson, Kenneth R.1
Source: Ming Studies, Volume 2010, Number 61, April 2010 , pp. 56-70(15)
Publisher: Maney Publishing
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Doug Weller
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Ancient History
This article raises the basic question the GH,Menzies,Hapgood and many others have used as the basis for their various theories,speculation, and books.
The existence of these charts and their stiking accuracy. That when the supposed authors were squirreled away miles from the sea and with limited tools. Implied is a knowledge set very large and expansive that the context does not support. T
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donald r raab
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Humanities
facts are only consumer friendly if they are hidden, forbidden or just plain outrageous.
in the same vein..if Plato had written a book about corruption,sloth , greed,and loose morals in Athens....
no one would have paid any attention to it.
Warwick
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Warwick L Nixon
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Ancient History
Off-topic: The tale came from the Temple of Artemis in Athens. I believe I read once that it was one of Plato's favorite places.
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Rich
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Ancient History
The real trick is to make the truth mysterious
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donald r raab
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Ancient History
That's because people would rather have the mysterious than the truth. I learned that really well years ago when we were accused of "spoiling" threads by posting the truth.
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Katherine Reece
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Ancient History
Everybody has the right to publish what they wish. They have to write it. They have to find and sell it to a publisher. The publisher has to take the risk as to possible sales. After all of that the public is free to buy or not buy. Please note there is NO requirement or a truth commission to prejudge a books contents prior to publishing.
It is obviously easier to sell a second book if t
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donald r raab
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Ancient History
Joy.
More money sucked from the pockets of unsuspecting readers. These guys are the Bernie Madoff's of the publishing world. There ought to be a law against this sort of scam.
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Anthony
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Ancient History
I know that HP Lovecraft unknowningly 'channeled' his stories from a world that his hidden from us by the TPTB!
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Hans
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Ancient History
Hans Wrote:
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> I suspect it's a book written based on a PT Barnum
> meme. Perhaps also using the Sitchin technique of
> writing up some silly thing and making money on
> it. I further suspect that nothing new will be
> added to small but overflowing bucket of 'made up
> stuff about Atlantis'
>
>
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cicely
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Ancient History
I suspect it's a book written based on a PT Barnum meme. Perhaps also using the Sitchin technique of writing up some silly thing and making money on it. I further suspect that nothing new will be added to small but overflowing bucket of 'made up stuff about Atlantis'
I look forward to his future book on his search for the Mountains of Madness in the Antarctic.
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Hans
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Ancient History
Hans Wrote:
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> I might suggest where he found it but some might
> consider it rude!
I think Hans is onto something. I will not be reading this book. I wouldn't mind debating this author on his theory, though. I think he'd get a rude awakening.
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Rich
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Ancient History
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